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I have skipped breakfast since college when I was much more concerned about bulking up. I drink two coffees and that gets me through til lunch. I’ve never really considered alternatives to this routine. If I wanted to experiment with breakfasts what do people recommend eating? The priority would be energy levels, and mental clarity since I tend to work better in the morning.
Citation needed. Virtually the entire planet has constant access to food, available 24/7/365, something that has never happened at any point in human history until very recently. Is there an actual statistically-significant trend of conscious meal skipping? In what population? Or are they just parroting something they heard on the internet? I can't access the article but I'd be very curious how they back this claim up.
Humans evolved under conditions of highly variable food stocks. I guarantee our distant ancestors ate when food was plentiful, fasted when it was not (no choice), and were certainly not eating 3 square meals on a regular schedule. Not saying that our hunter-gatherer diet was ideal, but if we evolved under those conditions, our default assumption should be that our bodies can handle it. Even the language ("skipping a meal") assumes that 3 meals is the natural baseline. Seems like the burden of proof runs the other way.
That, combined with the low sample size and the questionable research methodology, leads me to believe this is garbage science. Not worth reading.
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"Big Science in nutrition, diet, and exercise is a grift" What's "Big Science"? You are also claiming it's all a scam? Every scientific study related to diet, nutrition, and exercise? "If the researcher is not also a practitioner (e.g. body builder or losing lots of weight) you can usually ignore the results." Why do they have to practice some fitness or nutritional art to study it? Wouldn't that make them more bias…
> Every scientific study related to diet, nutrition, and exercise? Pretty much. All the mouse stuff, self reporting, and meta-studies and you're already at what, 90-95%? > Why do they have to practice some fitness or nutritional art to study it Skin in the game and incentives besides "increase # of studies/citations" and "get grant money." Discovering vitamins was great, same for vaccines and probably monoclonal anti…
How do you know this?
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> Every scientific study related to diet, nutrition, and exercise? Pretty much. All the mouse stuff, self reporting, and meta-studies and you're already at what, 90-95%? > Why do they have to practice some fitness or nutritional art to study it Skin in the game and incentives besides "increase # of studies/citations" and "get grant money." Discovering vitamins was great, same for vaccines and probably monoclonal anti…
"What I do know is that Big Science knows 0 about diet (fat loss in particular) and exercise. " How do you know this?
I also know that many of the things they say or used to say that are still standard doctrine are just flat-out wrong, which I've confirmed in my own experiments.
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I can't give you any good reason why this happens with "intermittent fasting" in particular, but I can tell you that it follows a similar pattern to every other fad diet. Almost everyone who follows them starts controlling what they eat, focussing on losing weight and they generally succeed in doing so for the first ~6 weeks. Then for whatever reason, a small number continue to lose weight and the remainder (the majo…
as far as cracking it I heard there's a drug now that pretty much solves obesity but insurance isn't covering it well. Wegovy maybe? Or Mounjaro? Maybe both: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-04505-7
It sorta suggests that obesity isn’t one of the main costs in the US for healthcare (I suspect it isn’t) and that there isn’t a pill that will ”fix” obesity (I suspect there isn’t)
I have skipped breakfast since college when I was much more concerned about bulking up. I drink two coffees and that gets me through til lunch. I’ve never really considered alternatives to this routine. If I wanted to experiment with breakfasts what do people recommend eating? The priority would be energy levels, and mental clarity since I tend to work better in the morning.
* Wholegrain oats (1.5 to 2 dl)
* Greek yogurt (1.5 to 2 dl)
* Milk, skimmed/whole (3 dl)
Then, throw in whatever. A sliced banana or berries, honey, a pinch of vanilla extract. Prep it in the evening, chuck it into the fridge, and it's done in the morning.
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These comments are always so hilarious. It demonstrates a significant lack of understand of how statistics actually works. You see this on reddit all the time, you'd think it'd be better here. Power and sample size are determined by numerous factors depending on the question under study. You could have N=10 be statistically powerful and N=1,000,000 be statistically meaningless. It depends ENTIRELY on the subject unde…
This is clinical nutrition. There are so many confounding factors that it is not reasonable to draw any conclusions about how the body works ( especially as a layman reader on HN) from a study that tested 17 people. Indeed, their own introduction claims that previous larger studies have found no correlation between meal plans and effects on the body, at least wrt caloric expenditure. > These comments are always so hi…
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It's not that complicated. Eating more leads to greater body mass, which requires higher caloric intake to sustain. Eating less leads to the opposite. If you gain 20 pounds, then you need to eat more relative to your previous weight in order to maintain your current weight (including that extra 20 pounds). If you lose 20 pounds, you have to eat less to maintain that new weight.
It's totally more complicated even long before that. Not eating "enough" (and you don't get to define this, your body does) leads the body to drastically reduce calorie burn, leading to "starvation mode" and the accompanying symptoms. If, on the other hand, you manage to eat a lot of calories without activating certain biochemical switches (like one poster here mentions), you can build a lot of muscle without gaining…
I also scanned through the comments looking for this poster you say who talked about eating without activating certain biochemical switches, but was unable to find it. Where is this purported comment?
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It's not that complicated. Eating more leads to greater body mass, which requires higher caloric intake to sustain. Eating less leads to the opposite. If you gain 20 pounds, then you need to eat more relative to your previous weight in order to maintain your current weight (including that extra 20 pounds). If you lose 20 pounds, you have to eat less to maintain that new weight.
I've lost weight eating more while maintaining the same exercise routine. You can try to feel better with any "well actually" you can muster. I increased the same kind of food I always eat and lost weight.
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The problem is not N=17. If the effect (difference between skipping breakfast vs dinner) was large enough, it would be obvious and significant even in a small sample. The effect seems to be very small. I agree that what is missing is to measure skipping meals for a longer time period, like a month, at least.
I have an identical twin brother; I began IF (eating only 1/3 of target calories on Mon/Fri) in 2012. We do functional similar levels of cardio, weight-training; we're both programmers, with similar hours. Right now, I'm 1/2 taller, ~70 lbs lighter, I have ~10 lbs more LBM, blood pressure and blood work is spot on. He's got high blood pressure, and is diabetes adjacent. I have a good friend who's an identical twin wh…