I like AvE’s take on skipping breakfast: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u3c1362zoGg
Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
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Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Even CICO is not straight forward. It is a dynamic system. Eating more can cause increased metabolism and easting less can slow the metabolism.
It's not that complicated. Eating more leads to greater body mass, which requires higher caloric intake to sustain. Eating less leads to the opposite. If you gain 20 pounds, then you need to eat more relative to your previous weight in order to maintain your current weight (including that extra 20 pounds). If you lose 20 pounds, you have to eat less to maintain that new weight.
I've lost weight eating more while maintaining the same exercise routine. You can try to feel better with any "well actually" you can muster. I increased the same kind of food I always eat and lost weight.
Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#83Recruited 17 (most likely non-random) people each of whom skipped a SINGLE breakfast, then had 3 regular days, then skipped a SINGLE dinner ... Basic common sense indicates that it would be highly unlikely that anything of value could possibly be learned. The variability between people, meals, state of their lives, backgrounds, habits, behaviors, schedules, etc must be staggering. Scientists will never admit to this…
Science is about testing over and over. This small study is just one step.
Where did you get 95% from anyway? This limited study has more evidence for its conclusion than you do for making the statement "Scientists will never admit to this but about 95% of published research..."
Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the entire field of medicine is based on small studies with high power to achieve statistical significance, that lead to sequentially larger studies and eventually regulator approval or rejection. Are you saying the entire field is a sham? I urge you to write to the FDA immediately them to inform them that their methodology is gravely flawed.
I am saying that lay readers on Hacker News should not draw conclusions from this study on 17 people. Do you disagree?
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Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#85Recruited 17 (most likely non-random) people each of whom skipped a SINGLE breakfast, then had 3 regular days, then skipped a SINGLE dinner ... Basic common sense indicates that it would be highly unlikely that anything of value could possibly be learned. The variability between people, meals, state of their lives, backgrounds, habits, behaviors, schedules, etc must be staggering. Scientists will never admit to this…
+100
Big Science in nutrition, diet, and exercise is a grift. If the researcher is not also a practitioner (e.g. body builder or losing lots of weight) you can usually ignore the results.
Also ignore any studies involving mice, food questionnaires or other self-reporting, meta-analyses..
Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#86I have skipped breakfast since college when I was much more concerned about bulking up. I drink two coffees and that gets me through til lunch. I’ve never really considered alternatives to this routine. If I wanted to experiment with breakfasts what do people recommend eating? The priority would be energy levels, and mental clarity since I tend to work better in the morning.
morning: - infusion: ginger + mint + lemon + green tea (or yerba mate) - fruit: banana or dried fig - seeds: slice of whole grain bread or almonds or any else you like, vary middle of the day: - eggs with spices and herbs - vegies with lot of fiber or veggies pasta - minutes later: infusion: ginger + mint + lemon + green tea (or yerba mate) evening (only if hungry): - toast with eggs and lot of different spices and h…
You eat a 1000 calories a day?
Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#87n=17, so read nothing into this result. Also, what they tested is having no fixed eating schedule. The effects (if any) of skipping breakfast every day consistently are not measured.
But the entire field of medicine is based on small studies with high power to achieve statistical significance, that lead to sequentially larger studies and eventually regulator approval or rejection. Are you saying the entire field is a sham? I urge you to write to the FDA immediately them to inform them that their methodology is gravely flawed.
Yes. The entire field is a sham.
Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the entire field of medicine is based on small studies with high power to achieve statistical significance, that lead to sequentially larger studies and eventually regulator approval or rejection. Are you saying the entire field is a sham? I urge you to write to the FDA immediately them to inform them that their methodology is gravely flawed.
I am saying that lay readers on Hacker News should not draw conclusions from this study on 17 people. Do you disagree?
You shouldn't draw conclusions from this small study but it increases the probability of one view being correct
Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#89Recruited 17 (most likely non-random) people each of whom skipped a SINGLE breakfast, then had 3 regular days, then skipped a SINGLE dinner ... Basic common sense indicates that it would be highly unlikely that anything of value could possibly be learned. The variability between people, meals, state of their lives, backgrounds, habits, behaviors, schedules, etc must be staggering. Scientists will never admit to this…
Science is about testing over and over. This small study is just one step. Where did you get 95% from anyway? This limited study has more evidence for its conclusion than you do for making the statement "Scientists will never admit to this but about 95% of published research..."
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Re: Impact of breakfast skipping compared with dinner skipping
#90> Background: Meal skipping has become an increasing trend of the modern lifestyle that may lead to obesity and type 2 diabetes. That is not what I was expecting this to be about. Now I'm thinking, how does this relate to the intermittent fasting trend? Are people meal skipping and calling it intermittent fasting? Or are the people who are meal skipping generally not interested in "wellness community" trends like IF?
Yea, there are people calling "meal skipping" intermittent fasting. IF is pretty vaguely defined at best and all kinds of things fall under that label.
E.g. Eat Stop Eat, where IIRC you eat normally every other day, and then you eat only 500kcal or so on the alternate days. So that might be done by skipping a meal every other day.
Other people do a daily fasting/feeding window, e.g. 16/8 up to 23/1. The latter basically means you eat only 1 meal a day (unless you somehow manage to eat 2 "meals" within one hour) whereas 16/8 typically means skipping breakfast or dinner.
Yet other schemes are 3 days eating/1 day fasting. Still an "intermittent fast."
I think IF basically just means "any deviation from the standard 3 squares a day eating pattern."