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Re: Stripe issues

#61
Original post: Stripe crushed my startup at the first whiff of success

This is just a general rant, but I wish it could be more than that.

A little over a week ago, my startup saw our first and sudden uptick in user activity. After a few hard months of work building our platform, we were relieved to see customer feedback and turn our first profit. It was through a marketing campaign that had finally reached its target market after endless tuning and optimization. Prior to this point, we're majorly negative net on product R&D. It was a major win.

All payments were processed on our website through Stripe. I know. Major mistake to rely on one business to keep ours afloat. But our product neither violated Stripe policy nor did our account have any prior issues, so I just kept my fingers crossed and hoped for the best. Which all in all is not a great customer experience.

We fulfilled nearly all of our freshly incoming orders within 3 days of the transactions.

One day before our biggest payout hits, I'm awoken at 2:15 in the morning to an email from Stripe that sends me into sheer panic. Due to our company making 'unauthorized' charges on our user's cards, our account is both closed and Stripe is forcing a charge reversal for all transactions on our account.

We do not do this. Customers finalize checkout on a Stripe payment page, where they are shown amount, enter card details, and click a big fat button that says "Pay now". I cannot envision any alternate universe where this kind of act is unauthorized.

Anyways, I'm laying in bed at 2AM utterly crushed by the email, sure, but I then made the grave mistake of looking at my Stripe dashboard. We're in the red. We have a negative Stripe balance just one day before the biggest payout our startup has ever seen. Not only do we owe Stripe money, we're on the hook for COGS for every single transaction on our account.

Support wise, we're at a dead end. There is no phone number. If you email the company, you'll reach only robots pretending to be humans. Stripe has not replied to an email in 4 days. I get the exact same line from each contact attempt. "This decision is final and in order to protect our processes, we are unable to provide further details regarding the reason for your account's closure."

We're utterly fucked. I'm behind on bills solely from Stripe's negligence in account review. I never expect to hear from them again despite my consistent attempts, and I highly doubt a human being at Stripe has ever as much as looked at my account or read my emails in their entirety.

One question I have for the community: why is payment processing the most uptight industry on this planet? I cannot imagine one other business model that would require a company to treat their customers with such disrespect. There is zero compassion. There is zero regard for humanity. Why? All we're doing here is processing an online payment.

Re: Stripe issues

#62

Does anyone remember vaguely what the post was about? (Edit - in case it changes again the body of the post is now just "I was advised to remove this post") It looks like tis been removed and there's a comment thread below where OP seems to be potentially denying and then admitting a link to a business that some other commenter are suggesting might be shady- very confusing to see a highly updated post on the front pa…

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Re: Stripe issues

#63
post #50

I don't get it, why are Americans so brain-dead with paying with their credit card online directly? Here in small country in EU, Czechia, we have several payment processing companies, which process debit cards payments online.(nobody use credit cards here, spending money you don't have, no thank you, rofl) These are companies based in our country, you can call them, you have a written contract with them, so if someth…

In America, there are laws greatly limiting your financial liability if your credit card is stolen. Maximum one can lose is capped at a pretty low limit. In contrast, debit cards - if that money is gone, it is gone. Essentially no recourse. Given that legal framework, there is no way I would ever advise someone to use a debit card.

Re: Stripe issues

#64

Does anyone remember vaguely what the post was about? (Edit - in case it changes again the body of the post is now just "I was advised to remove this post") It looks like tis been removed and there's a comment thread below where OP seems to be potentially denying and then admitting a link to a business that some other commenter are suggesting might be shady- very confusing to see a highly updated post on the front pa…

The title when I clicked on it was "Stripe crushed my startup at the first whiff of success".

Googling leads to this apparent snapshot of subtext "This is just a general rant, but I wish it could be more than that. A little over a week ago, my startup saw our first and sudden uptick in user activity. After a few hard months of work building our platform, we were relieved to see customer feedback and turn our first profit. It was through a marketing campaign that…"

Re: Stripe issues

#65
post #50

I don't get it, why are Americans so brain-dead with paying with their credit card online directly? Here in small country in EU, Czechia, we have several payment processing companies, which process debit cards payments online.(nobody use credit cards here, spending money you don't have, no thank you, rofl) These are companies based in our country, you can call them, you have a written contract with them, so if someth…

"I can't comprehend, why is American online market so backwards."

I would argue your country is the backwards one...

Re: Stripe issues

#66
post #57
post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> had you posted "can I reasonably build this business on Stripe" on HN, the whole thread would be people telling you "of course not" Does this justify refunding money for services rendered and goods provided? Refusing to process further transactions when someone is found in violation of terms/policies is obvious, but straight up returning money? On top of that, does Stripe not know who they do business with? I would…

Yes, it does. There are kinds of businesses that can be run in good faith, but not on Stripe, because it's impossible to distinguish in those kinds of businesses the good actors from the bad ones. Positively, not normatively, the fact is: that is the retailer's problem, not Stripe's.

How so? Why does Stripe process payments when you're small, then fuck you over when you get more traffic? Why can't they detect this upfront, assuming there's no misrepresentation on the retailers part?

Re: Stripe issues

#67

Does anyone remember vaguely what the post was about? (Edit - in case it changes again the body of the post is now just "I was advised to remove this post") It looks like tis been removed and there's a comment thread below where OP seems to be potentially denying and then admitting a link to a business that some other commenter are suggesting might be shady- very confusing to see a highly updated post on the front pa…

https://web.archive.org/web/20230114202232/https://news.ycom...

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Re: Stripe issues

#68
post #10

> One question I have for the community: why is payment processing the most uptight industry on this planet? I assume a combination of low margins, high risk (fraud of many types), and regulatory risk, and the nature of 'winner takes all' tech services lead to low willingness/ability to deal with small clients, of which some are trying to abuse your service. Can you tell us more about the nature of your service? Norm…

+1 for wanting more details. You spend enough time on the internet, you notice that everyone has a sad story when they get banned or booted from a service. Sometimes the mods mess up, but often there’s more to the story.

Re: Stripe issues

#69
post #66
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it does. There are kinds of businesses that can be run in good faith, but not on Stripe, because it's impossible to distinguish in those kinds of businesses the good actors from the bad ones. Positively, not normatively, the fact is: that is the retailer's problem, not Stripe's.

How so? Why does Stripe process payments when you're small, then fuck you over when you get more traffic? Why can't they detect this upfront, assuming there's no misrepresentation on the retailers part?

Presumably because underwriting happens in stages; further, the universe you're stating a preference for is one in which it's much more difficult to get a payment processor at all, because the fact of some businesses being "shadier" than others doesn't change.

Underwriting is what happens when a business works in part by putting up some of its own money to smooth things over for its customers. Payments is an underwriting business. For an example of what happens when you do an underwriting business that would never cause anyone on HN to complain, see: FTX.

But, really: who knows? They haven't told us what the business is.

Re: Stripe issues

#70
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP but username is pjyancey, some light googling brings us to: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/storecycle And https://storecycle.io/ (which may be down due to the story above) Although the Linkedin description doesn't quite align? "Have an e-commerce brand built primarily on Shopify? Get a free, no-obligation cash offer for your business soon as 24 hours. " Maybe they pivoted?

Yeah you beat me to it. I think OP scrubbed it from his LinkedIn.

This may not be correct because OP actually has StoreCycle on their Linkedin but only until Sep 2022. So this may be a new/different venture.
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