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Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by eesmith »

phpisthebest wrote: post #16
eesmith wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) We know it isn't because the same routine vaccination requirements have been around for decades. 2) They aren't forced. They are required to go to public school (with limited exemptions) but parents have other options, albeit more time-consuming and/or costly. The primary reason given is "pandemic-related interruptions in children’s medical visits as well as in-person schooling", and catching up with documentation…

Not all of the required "vaccines" have been around for decades. One of them is very new and that one seems to have a lot of controversy when it comes to kids and mounting questions on if it is safe or effective for said age group. Even mainstream news networks like the BBC are starting to air concerns from their own medical experts

See the "routine" in the title?

The linked-to page says those are: "measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) shot; the diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) shot; and the shots against poliovirus and varicella (chickenpox)."

Not COVID vaccination.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by bamboozled »

nickpp wrote: post #2

Maybe this is what happens when you try to force people do something, even if for their own good? Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied? Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.

It's this combined with the horror of not having vaccines, people have forgotten or don't know what that looks like, so we probably have to see children destroyed from diseases (we already have vaccines for) before people will understand why things like vaccine mandates exist.

I do agree with others though, I don't feel the same way about Covid19 vaccines, even though I took them, it really does, in retrospect, look like a lot of it was trying to get people onto a yearly vaccine plan, "get your yearly covid19 booster", I don't like that personally.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by generalizations »

knaik94 wrote: post #20

I am not sure what the best way to communicate with these kinds of parents is. This is a parent with a very specific kind of mindset about who should be the ultimate authority on their child. More often than not, it becomes unhealthy for the child living in this environment both physically and emotionally. Everyone understands the parents ultimately mean no harm, but their warped perception of science, among other th…

> very specific kind of mindset about who should be the ultimate authority on their child

What are you referring to here?

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by phpisthebest »

eesmith wrote: post #21
phpisthebest wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all of the required "vaccines" have been around for decades. One of them is very new and that one seems to have a lot of controversy when it comes to kids and mounting questions on if it is safe or effective for said age group. Even mainstream news networks like the BBC are starting to air concerns from their own medical experts

See the "routine" in the title? The linked-to page says those are: "measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) shot; the diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis (DTaP) shot; and the shots against poliovirus and varicella (chickenpox)." Not COVID vaccination.

I understand that is what the story has said but as another poster has indicated a lot of doctors are only doing vaccinations if parents "agree to all required vaccines" which in most areas of the US they have added COVID to that list

So if they make it "take them all including COVID or none"

Then naturally parents that refuse to give their children the new COVID treatment will also have to choose refuse the "routine" ones as they are not being given the opportunity to only receive the routine vaccines with out COVID

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Post by _Microft »

jslql wrote: post #6

That’s what happens when you burn a lot of good faith.

No, that's what happens if people lack self-reflection. If they had asked themselves if there is any chance that they could possibly know better than someone who's working on a topic all the time, the answer would have been a resounding no, no matter the topic in question.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by MrVandemar »

bamboozled wrote: post #22
nickpp wrote: post #2

Maybe this is what happens when you try to force people do something, even if for their own good? Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied? Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.

It's this combined with the horror of not having vaccines, people have forgotten or don't know what that looks like, so we probably have to see children destroyed from diseases (we already have vaccines for) before people will understand why things like vaccine mandates exist. I do agree with others though, I don't feel the same way about Covid19 vaccines, even though I took them, it really does, in retrospect, look…

> it really does, in retrospect, look like a lot of it was trying to get people onto a yearly vaccine plan

I think, yes, the companies are for sure rubbing their hands and thinking about the extra money from another mandated yearly vaccine. But the SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, though they have a short window of effectiveness (as do flu vaccines) have protected some people from severity of the symptoms and death, which is not a bad thing.

There may be some value in a yearly vaccine for at least susceptible people that covers a window of time where infection rates are typically highest.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by phpisthebest »

pavlov wrote: post #19
phpisthebest wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we... Is the COVID-19 vaccine not added to that "routine"

It is not.

You are responding based in the research paper who were looking at the non COVID vaccines however as another poster has indicated a lot of doctors are only doing vaccinations if parents "agree to all required vaccines" which in most areas of the US they have added COVID to that list

So if doctors are only giving the other vaccines if parents alos.agree to the COVID one then naturally parents that are refusing just COVID one will also have to refuse the others

Seems like a bad idea to hold the other vaccines hostage unless people agree to take the COVID treatment

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by passwordoops »

There's a frightening crisis of trust in authority, and frankly those in authority are the only ones to blame. It's been brewing for decades. More recent causes of this decay:

-mixed messaging on basics from NIH on COVID in the early days, including outright lies (remember when wearing masks was bad for you?) -> Elites are clueless

-Mixed messaging from pretty much every global leader about the best approach to handling the pandemic, clearly showing there are many uncertainties and unknowns. HOWEVER instead of genuinely acknowledging and encouraging public discourse on these uncertainties beyond lip service, act in a very paternal manner then do whatever polls tell them to do. -> Elites are clueless and only care about retaining power

-Pfizer's CFO actually saying in a call in 2021 that when the pandemic is over, they will be able to drastically bump up the price on the vaccine, pricing out the global South ensuring a constant, annual "supply" of new variants to threaten the global North that can afford the annual booster. -> Elites are corrupt, in particular Pharma.

-The Sackler family faces zero consequences and kept their fortune. -> Elites are corrupt, in particular Pharma.

These are just three examples surrounding health and pharma, but like I said it's been brewing for decades (WMD, Banksters, Austerity, etc) and frankly I don't blame people for losing trust in authority like this. Especially given the education system is structured in a way to engender Trust in authority. Unless those in position of leadership face real consequences, inclusively serious prison time and loss of fortunes for their mistakes (accidental or otherwise) this corrosion will go on.

P.s. to the downvoters: please provide a comment including how any one of the above items does not erode trust in authority

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by eesmith »

ominous wrote: post #4
hestefisk wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents have a responsibility of best interest for their children. Not vaccinating them so they can die from chicken pox is unforgivable, sorry.

It sounds like a good response only if you ignore the real point being raised: when coerced, a being who thinks of itself as having free will fights back at least a small amount. Do you disagree?

That summary is so high-level and abstract as to be useless.

At that level, we face coercion all the time: a traffic light is a form of coercion backed by the threat of state violence.

Does fighting back against that coercion explain why people run red lights?

Moreover, if it's the expected human response, what explains the 2% difference between now and the 2019-2020 school year? Do more people now think of themselves as having free will than a few years ago?

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by busymom0 »

bamboozled wrote: post #22
nickpp wrote: post #2

Maybe this is what happens when you try to force people do something, even if for their own good? Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied? Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.

It's this combined with the horror of not having vaccines, people have forgotten or don't know what that looks like, so we probably have to see children destroyed from diseases (we already have vaccines for) before people will understand why things like vaccine mandates exist. I do agree with others though, I don't feel the same way about Covid19 vaccines, even though I took them, it really does, in retrospect, look…

Yearly? More like every 2-3 months. The shots are waning so fast plus new variants. It is entirely unsustainable.
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