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Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by phpisthebest »

hestefisk wrote: post #3
nickpp wrote: post #2

Maybe this is what happens when you try to force people do something, even if for their own good? Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied? Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.

Parents have a responsibility of best interest for their children. Not vaccinating them so they can die from chicken pox is unforgivable, sorry.

Government agencies have a responsibility not to lie to the public to achieve what they think is a "greater good". The have a responsibility not to just change the definition of words like vaccine to fit their political goals

The failure here is not parents it is every single person in power and every single spineless person that unquestionably was regurgitating the dracionian narratives of those in power the last 2+ years

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by jurassic »

We're shopping around for a pediatrician for our forthcoming baby and several offices we called said they will only accept new patients who will commit to a full schedule of vaccines. That's fine with us, but I got the feeling some providers are just tired of having the same stupid arguments with parents.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by idontwantthis »

nickpp wrote: post #2

Maybe this is what happens when you try to force people do something, even if for their own good? Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied? Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.

You’re implying this natural property of humans has appeared suddenly and gradually in the 21st century.

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Post by lolinder »

hestefisk wrote: post #3
nickpp wrote: post #2

Maybe this is what happens when you try to force people do something, even if for their own good? Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied? Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.

Parents have a responsibility of best interest for their children. Not vaccinating them so they can die from chicken pox is unforgivable, sorry.

I'm pro vaccines, but chicken pox isn't a great choice for making a rhetorical point. It's the least dangerous illness of the standard childhood vaccines, and was added recently enough that even millennials just lived with it (the vaccine became available in the US in 1995).

Measles and polio are the ones I'd emphasize, not chicken pox.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by pavlov »

phpisthebest wrote: post #11
hestefisk wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parents have a responsibility of best interest for their children. Not vaccinating them so they can die from chicken pox is unforgivable, sorry.

Government agencies have a responsibility not to lie to the public to achieve what they think is a "greater good". The have a responsibility not to just change the definition of words like vaccine to fit their political goals The failure here is not parents it is every single person in power and every single spineless person that unquestionably was regurgitating the dracionian narratives of those in power the last 2+…

No, the failure is still the parents. They’re the ones choosing to expose their children to deadly diseases.

That was true five years ago and it’s equally true now — we’re talking about the same routine vaccines. Nothing that happened during the Covid-19 pandemic changed that.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by phpisthebest »

eesmith wrote: post #10
nickpp wrote: post #2

Maybe this is what happens when you try to force people do something, even if for their own good? Like some sort of resistant force born in response to the force applied? Added: I am totally pro-vaccine as an extraordinary medical tool, just trying to understand this phenomenon hoping we won't make the same strategic mistakes again.

1) We know it isn't because the same routine vaccination requirements have been around for decades. 2) They aren't forced. They are required to go to public school (with limited exemptions) but parents have other options, albeit more time-consuming and/or costly. The primary reason given is "pandemic-related interruptions in children’s medical visits as well as in-person schooling", and catching up with documentation…

Not all of the required "vaccines" have been around for decades. One of them is very new and that one seems to have a lot of controversy when it comes to kids and mounting questions on if it is safe or effective for said age group. Even mainstream news networks like the BBC are starting to air concerns from their own medical experts

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by phpisthebest »

pavlov wrote: post #15
phpisthebest wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government agencies have a responsibility not to lie to the public to achieve what they think is a "greater good". The have a responsibility not to just change the definition of words like vaccine to fit their political goals The failure here is not parents it is every single person in power and every single spineless person that unquestionably was regurgitating the dracionian narratives of those in power the last 2+…

No, the failure is still the parents. They’re the ones choosing to expose their children to deadly diseases. That was true five years ago and it’s equally true now — we’re talking about the same routine vaccines. Nothing that happened during the Covid-19 pandemic changed that.

Are we... Is the COVID-19 vaccine not added to that "routine"

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by pavlov »

phpisthebest wrote: post #17
pavlov wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the failure is still the parents. They’re the ones choosing to expose their children to deadly diseases. That was true five years ago and it’s equally true now — we’re talking about the same routine vaccines. Nothing that happened during the Covid-19 pandemic changed that.

Are we... Is the COVID-19 vaccine not added to that "routine"

It is not.

Re: Routine vaccinations drop among U.S. kindergartners for the third year in a row

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Post by knaik94 »

I am not sure what the best way to communicate with these kinds of parents is. This is a parent with a very specific kind of mindset about who should be the ultimate authority on their child. More often than not, it becomes unhealthy for the child living in this environment both physically and emotionally.

Everyone understands the parents ultimately mean no harm, but their warped perception of science, among other things, means their actions are harmful. But trying to point this fact out makes them very, very defensive and they take it personally. Others only spend energy communicating because they want to help the child too.

That's the thing that always causes me difficulty when dealing with parents like this, it's like talking to a brick wall. My usual attempt is trying to get them to see me as someone speaking from a place of trustworthiness, but it's frustrating. Usually the kids are smart enough to pick up on certain things so I guide them a little. For context, I tutor. The same parents that dismiss me about things like this or getting a diagnosis/treatment for ADHD pay me to teach their kids about science and math. I want to continue caring and trying, but I understand why teachers become so jaded.

Does anyone have suggestions?

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