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The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by sokoloff »

ryukafalz wrote: post #120
sokoloff wrote: post #80

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I just installed a new gas boiler (I wanted to go electric but it was massively economically disadvantageous). That thing is probably going to run for 20 years. If you have patience to wait a handful of decades, attacking gas stoves and waiting for trickle-up in consumer preferences to happen could be a good play. If you want faster change, tax and rebate is probably a better plan. Utilities already have the means to…

Rebates on appliances at least are happening: the Inflation Reduction Act has $4.5 billion set aside for rebates on new electric appliances. There's not a new tax at this point but I don't think tax/rebate and banning new gas installations are necessarily mutually exclusive. > I just installed a new gas boiler (I wanted to go electric but it was massively economically disadvantageous). That thing is probably going to…

My electricity is ~53% in total and ~80% marginally in wintertime produced by natural gas. They're pretty correlated here and likely to remain so for a decade or more.

If they do disconnect and electric becomes advantageous, I'll have saved money for likely a decade and can consider switching at that point. (It was capital costs that made it non-advantageous, not operating costs.)

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Post by joekrill »

peteradio wrote: post #116
D13Fd wrote: post #105

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Yes, we absolutely have to figure out a way to transition away from it and both here an in other countries around the world. An outright ban probably isn't achievable or effective in the short term. We could tax it to raise the cost (discouraging use), and use those taxes to fund transitions away from gas to heat pumps or other solutions that don't involve pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

I don't know it strikes me as reactionary. If this comes down to CO2 there are bigger fish to fry, no?

> I don't know it strikes me as reactionary.

Why is that a problem? At this point in the game most things that need to be done to address climate change and pollution are reactionary.

> If this comes down to CO2 there are bigger fish to fry, no?

You can say that about almost anything. There's always "bigger fish to fry", but that doesn't mean we should only ever deal with the "biggest fish". We regulate car emissions even though ships and airplanes are arguably the "bigger fish". We prosecute thefts even though most people would consider prosecuting murders the "bigger fish".

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Post by ryandrake »

_puk wrote: post #50
hospadar wrote: post #31

Induction maaaan! Switched from gas to induction and love it. I miss my stove every time i have to cook elsewhere. Mine is pretty much the cheapest induction range on the market (and i bought it used). Heats up way faster than gas (WAY FASTER, will get cast iron glowing if i leave an empty cast iron on the stove for a while at the highest setting), low/medium control is excellent and precise, and i really appreciate…

The Induction Industry Is Paying HN Influencers to Gush over Induction Stoves (2023) Tongue in cheek, but nowadays it's so hard to establish what is a genuine appraisal and what isn't..

Definitely tongue in cheek, but it's almost halfway believable. For every commenter here who talks about how they prefer their gas stove for [attribute A], [attribute B] and [attribute C], a commenter jumps in like clockwork to reply with the same "Have you tried induction, bro?" comment. Eerie...

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Post by ceejayoz »

peteradio wrote: post #116
D13Fd wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, we absolutely have to figure out a way to transition away from it and both here an in other countries around the world. An outright ban probably isn't achievable or effective in the short term. We could tax it to raise the cost (discouraging use), and use those taxes to fund transitions away from gas to heat pumps or other solutions that don't involve pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

I don't know it strikes me as reactionary. If this comes down to CO2 there are bigger fish to fry, no?

We have to fry multiple fish if we're going to mitigate things. Lots of fish.

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Post by rs999gti »

hermannj314 wrote: post #99
peteradio wrote: post #94

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Natural gas is the most common energy source for winter heat in America, do you believe that should be banned?

If we were talking in 1923, you would have told me coal was the most common. The world is allowed to change with new data and new technology. Not exactly certain of the history, but embracing natural gas after WW2 and through the 1950s was an easy choice for most Americans. I imagine, someday, the world will change again.

> coal was the most common

Coal was shifted from the home to the energy plant.

Is this better because the negative effects of coal burning were removed locally and moved to a central location? Or maybe because the local locations can no longer control their own consumption?

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Post by peteradio »

ceejayoz wrote: post #124
peteradio wrote: post #116

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I don't know it strikes me as reactionary. If this comes down to CO2 there are bigger fish to fry, no?

We have to fry multiple fish if we're going to mitigate things. Lots of fish.

Not disagreeing there, but I think if we satiate the need to do something right now by cutting the rings on our six packs then we might not ever get to the other fish.

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Post by notyourav »

I wanted to replace my old gas range with a good induction cooktop. Everyone told me that would reduce my homes value, electric ranges are a step back.

I think problem is the induction ranges aren’t properly marketed. They have an image problem not a regulatory one.

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Post by Philorandroid »

freen wrote: post #106
Philorandroid wrote: post #53

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Because there's no platform or ideology on earth capable of paid advocacy besides the oil industry, and certainly no political movements ostensibly grounded in "green" advocacy.

If you are going to claim that a position is invalid due to financial influence, you really have to do the basic math of how much profit is actually at stake on either side of the argument And weight the impact of said influence appropriately. Who has deeper pockets and more to loose if anthropogenic climate change is real and caused by co2 emissions? If you truly think it’s the folks that are cutting grant checks to…

You're getting really possessed over things I never said.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

peteradio wrote: post #116
D13Fd wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, we absolutely have to figure out a way to transition away from it and both here an in other countries around the world. An outright ban probably isn't achievable or effective in the short term. We could tax it to raise the cost (discouraging use), and use those taxes to fund transitions away from gas to heat pumps or other solutions that don't involve pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

I don't know it strikes me as reactionary. If this comes down to CO2 there are bigger fish to fry, no?

In my northern jurisdiction heating is the largest contributor to CO2, more than transportation, industry or agriculture.

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

basch wrote: post #118
punyearthling wrote: post #101

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I imagine as more people adopt induction it'll get cheaper. I think most folks just assume it's an over-priced electric stove, so there's a learning curve to adoption. Anecdotally, I love my induction. It saves me so much time! When I first bought it a few years back, I was razzed quite a bit by co-workers whose only personality trait was they liked food. "You can't char peppers!" they'd exclaim. It's so funny to me…

Ikea has theirs priced under $1000. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/saerdrag-induction-cooktop-blac... I have their portable, which I think cost me $40 at the time, up to $70 now. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/tillreda-portable-induction-coo... It's well worth trying a portable one, especially if you don't have a slow cooker or pressure cooker already.

39,90EUR in white, 49,90EUR in black in Germany, right now(including sales tax). I wonder why the difference is so wide, and if that applies to other induction cooking appliances in the US-market, too?
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