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The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by punyearthling »

hospadar wrote: post #31

Induction maaaan! Switched from gas to induction and love it. I miss my stove every time i have to cook elsewhere. Mine is pretty much the cheapest induction range on the market (and i bought it used). Heats up way faster than gas (WAY FASTER, will get cast iron glowing if i leave an empty cast iron on the stove for a while at the highest setting), low/medium control is excellent and precise, and i really appreciate…

I imagine as more people adopt induction it'll get cheaper. I think most folks just assume it's an over-priced electric stove, so there's a learning curve to adoption.

Anecdotally, I love my induction. It saves me so much time! When I first bought it a few years back, I was razzed quite a bit by co-workers whose only personality trait was they liked food. "You can't char peppers!" they'd exclaim. It's so funny to me to see so much passion for gas stoves.

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Post by juancn »

If you ever cooked both on gas an electric, electric is workable, but gas is much more controllable in terms of temperature transfer.

Specially when there's no direct contact between the pan and stove.

It also produces way more heat faster if you need to.

My experience with electric stoves is that you have to coax them into cooking things right.

Most of the particulate problems could probably be solved with better forced ventilation and air filters.

For example, where I live, commercial kitchens have an electric gas valve connected to the forced extraction systems of the kitchen, so you cannot turn on the stove unless the ventilation is on.

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Post by eddyg »

juancn wrote: post #102

If you ever cooked both on gas an electric, electric is workable, but gas is much more controllable in terms of temperature transfer. Specially when there's no direct contact between the pan and stove. It also produces way more heat faster if you need to. My experience with electric stoves is that you have to coax them into cooking things right. Most of the particulate problems could probably be solved with better fo…

It's important to note that "electric" is not "induction" (which is also "electric"). Induction provides many of the benefits of gas.

Re: The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by bryanlarsen »

rsynnott wrote: post #98
bryanlarsen wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A CCGT is about 60% efficient, and an induction stove is about 3x as efficient as a gas stove. So cooking directly with gas uses over 50% more gas than cooking on an induction top using electricity generated from gas.

> A CCGT is about 60% efficient Depends exactly where you live, but it's unlikely that all the gas generation is by CCGT; a lot of places would use far less efficient plants for peaking at least. > and an induction stove is about 3x as efficient as a gas stove Hmm, where are you getting this? From a quick look, gas stoves are about 40-50% efficient, induction about 85%. You also have to consider transmission loss, an…

It was a quick Google that I can't find again. Efficiency numbers vary widely, since the size of the pot makes a big difference in the efficiency of gas or conventional electricity.

In one experiment, using coal fired electricity to boil a pot of water on induction released 0.29 pounds of CO2. Using natural gas to boil a pot of water released 1.16 pounds.

https://zeroenergyproject.com/2016/10/24/induction-cooks-bet...

As you said, it's fairly irrelevant. The point is to reduce natural gas heating and methane leaks. Natural gas cooking is a side effect.

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Post by D13Fd »

peteradio wrote: post #94
hermannj314 wrote: post #62

Who is pushing to ban gas stoves? First it was adding catalytic converters in cars, then regulating tobacco, banning asbestos, removing contaminants from drinking water. It never stops. This is nothing more than one more rung in a decades long campaign of using the democratic process to hold companies accountable for pollutants and slowly improve the health and well-being of millions of Americans. Sure, air is cleane…

Natural gas is the most common energy source for winter heat in America, do you believe that should be banned?

Yes, we absolutely have to figure out a way to transition away from it and both here an in other countries around the world. An outright ban probably isn't achievable or effective in the short term. We could tax it to raise the cost (discouraging use), and use those taxes to fund transitions away from gas to heat pumps or other solutions that don't involve pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

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Post by freen »

Philorandroid wrote: post #53
freen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh yes, Big Induction. Well known astroturfers. They’ve known since 1970 that climate change due to induction stoves… wait, sorry, confused them with Exxon. Easy mistake.

Because there's no platform or ideology on earth capable of paid advocacy besides the oil industry, and certainly no political movements ostensibly grounded in "green" advocacy.

If you are going to claim that a position is invalid due to financial influence, you really have to do the basic math of how much profit is actually at stake on either side of the argument And weight the impact of said influence appropriately.

Who has deeper pockets and more to loose if anthropogenic climate change is real and caused by co2 emissions? If you truly think it’s the folks that are cutting grant checks to climate scientists, I have a bridge to sell you.

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Post by tomatotomato37 »

punyearthling wrote: post #101
hospadar wrote: post #31

Induction maaaan! Switched from gas to induction and love it. I miss my stove every time i have to cook elsewhere. Mine is pretty much the cheapest induction range on the market (and i bought it used). Heats up way faster than gas (WAY FASTER, will get cast iron glowing if i leave an empty cast iron on the stove for a while at the highest setting), low/medium control is excellent and precise, and i really appreciate…

I imagine as more people adopt induction it'll get cheaper. I think most folks just assume it's an over-priced electric stove, so there's a learning curve to adoption. Anecdotally, I love my induction. It saves me so much time! When I first bought it a few years back, I was razzed quite a bit by co-workers whose only personality trait was they liked food. "You can't char peppers!" they'd exclaim. It's so funny to me…

That's something that could happen. What could also happen is that builders and landlords use it as an excuse to cheap out on kitchen appliances even further while charging the same, the majority of potential gas stoves gets replaced with cheap underpowered coil ones, and the quality of life of the lower 95% degrades even further

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Post by the_third_wave »

rs999gti wrote: post #14
mikrl wrote: post #7

It’s politicized too which is ridiculous. I’ve seen takes that being pro gas cookery is right-wing. Yes, it’s obvious that gas heat and cooking could cause respiratory issues due to combustion. As a gourmand though, cooking on a gas range is the best experience wrt temp control and convenience. I prefer an electric oven, and the heating system I’m impartial to, though radiant hot water is what I fondly remember from…

Are any right wing EU, US, or CA parties supporting the gas stove ban or is just lefties and greenies doing it?

In itself the subject of indoor pollution is not a "left vs right" thing just like climate hysteria or SARS2 scaremongering are not innately so. That said it is remarkable that it is those who proclaim themselves to be on the "left" side who are far more susceptible to this type of scaremongering than those who claim to be on the "right" side. This is probably related to the "left" thinking in terms of the collective over the group over the individual where those on the "right" tend to think in terms of (traditional conservatives) "group - individual - collective" or (libertarians) "individual - group - collective". This makes those on the "left" side more susceptible to this type of group think based on appeals to authority - the "experts" agree that gas stoves need to go, "experts" agree that masks need to be worn, "experts" agree that young children need to be exposed to "norm-breaking" or "queer" sexuality, "experts" agree that CO₂ is the main cause of the recent warm spell and that human activities are the main cause of the rise in CO₂ concentration - since it is expected for individuals to sacrifice personal freedom for the good of the collective. Sometimes the "experts" are real experts but often they are activists for a cause.

This is also inherent in the "left" vs "right" discussion since those on the "left" can gain fame by forwarding themselves as spokesperson for a "marginalised" group which is "oppressed" by "(fill-in-the-blanks)-normativity". Once one of these self-proclaimed "experts" gets into the limelight and gets the ball rolling the collective needs to follow to avoid accusations of "(fill-in-the-blanks)-phobia" or "*-ism". On the right the way to fame lies in portraying yourself as the defender of traditional values and/or being the one to fight the dragons coming from the left. This is a vicious circle since any new goofy idea from the left is fodder for a dragon-slayer on the right and thus the circle game continues.

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Post by glanzwulf »

ceejayoz wrote: post #16
glanzwulf wrote: post #4

Today I found out I'm a paid influencer. Shame nobody told that to my bank account or my instagram followers. To me gas stoves are the best, and now that I don't have one I miss it even more.

"I'm not paid therefore no one is paid" is an odd argument.

Nah, that's not what I meant. It's just that I've been seeing these posts against gas stove pots in social media, and I'm always there being all "pro gas". I guess I can now send bills to the gas industry.

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Post by the_third_wave »

Lutger wrote: post #52
rs999gti wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are any right wing EU, US, or CA parties supporting the gas stove ban or is just lefties and greenies doing it?

The gas stove ban that is in the news is a US thing, not a EU or CA as far as I know. I haven't heard of any gas stove bans in the EU being talked about, though some were already on the table in an effort to get rid of gas altogether. If I'm not mistaken, it was _not_ a political initiative, at least not initially, but talked about as an option by The US Consumer Product Safety Commission in the case if stoves could…

> The gas stove ban that is in the news is a US thing, not a EU or CA as far as I know.

Gas stoves are not banned in the Netherlands but natural gas is being fazed out leading to the same outcome. When I bought a new house in the Netherlands in 1996 I had no choice but to move to electric cooking since the whole are was built gas-free. I ended up buying/building an induction range out of a separate induction hob and an electric oven. I sold the house in 2002 after moving to Sweden where I now cook and heat the house on wood - no gas here but no need for it either given our 21 hectares of forest and land. I prefer the latter over the former by far since there is no way meddling busybodies or warmongering Soviet-wannabees can increase my heating/cooking bills.

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