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Post by freedomben »

namaria wrote: post #227
freedomben wrote: post #216

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> I also lament the poverty of philosophical debate when American refute preposterous positions held by these post modern Christians and think they have refuted the whole of human religion as bunk. All the while calling themselves Atheist with capital A. Can you give a name or an example? I read a lot of athiest stuff and I've never encountered that (from a respected source at least, not from random people on faceboo…

It comes down to the strawman fallacy. If a specific claim is made that can be refuted, that's science. If you just hand wave away huge chunks of philosophy and literature based on a specific claim that someone made, or that you stand up for the purpose of discussion, then you are impoverishing human culture. Maybe you should read ancient Greek mythology before saying 'Zeus is bunk'. Is there a specific claim about r…

Who said ancient Greek texts about Zeus have zero philosophical value? I didn't, and I doubt anyone except you did, so it's quite ironic that you say:

> It comes down to the strawman fallacy

Most atheists are scientists. People talk about what they know. If you're mad because they don't talk about Greek mythology (which is a pretty different subject), are you mad that they don't discuss the correct way to make a ham and cheese omelette as well?

Also, would still like a name/example that we can evaluate your claims against.

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Post by krapp »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #260
solveit wrote: post #212

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Eh, it depends. The USA does have some of the most stringent protections for speech in the world.

And yet it also has Julian Assange and Edward Snowden. Furthermore, people have the freedom to talk about a great many things, but apparently not the freedom to enjoy actual beneficial policy changes. What use is freedom of speech then other than as an excuse to show off moral superiority? Many in the US also do not enjoy freedom of movement, as many places are dangerous, especially during certain times and for certa…

I mean sure, we live under an all-seeing panopticon, our police kill us with impunity, our media is a propaganda engine that manufactures popular consent through false narratives and drives addiction to consumerism, our social media is basically MKULTRA, our healthcare and educational systems are grifts whose primary purpose is to bleed the poor over a lifetime of crushing debt, our lives are owned and controlled by billionaires and corporations while we ourselves own nothing (not even our own identities), and our government is wholly corrupt, bloodthirsty, incapable of governance and utterly insulated from the will of the public, to the point that the only political revolutions allowed to gain any traction are those which support the status quo of capitalism, white supremacy and imperialism.

But we have guns! So many guns!

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Post by gaganyaan »

icelancer wrote: post #239
namaria wrote: post #193

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On the subject of American Christians, I find ironic that one of the reasons of the splintering of western Christianity, namely the sales of indulgence, is one of the main driving forces of modern Christianity. I also lament the poverty of philosophical debate when American refute preposterous positions held by these post modern Christians and think they have refuted the whole of human religion as bunk. All the while…

Scientism is the fastest growing religion in America these days - people just want to believe in higher powers of any sort. For almost everyone who says it, "I believe in science" is usually no different than saying they believe in the Judeo-Christian God. Science's greatest doubters tend to work in the field.

Whenever people complain about scientism, I assume they're gullible marks complaining that their favorite woo is rightly getting called out as nonsense. It hasn't steered me wrong yet.

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Post by DrammBA »

londons_explore wrote: post #228
sva_ wrote: post #214

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> ChatGPT is ~2400GB of weights Pretty sure it is just the GPT3 DaVinci model, which is 175B parameters, so approximately 700GB, or about half that at half precision.

GPT3 DaVinci has a context window of 2048 tokens. ChatGPT seems to have a context window of 8192 tokens (from testing how far back it can remember). To me, that suggests the model is probably at least 4x larger, possibly 16x (a bunch of layers scale with the square of the window size). Obviously, other bits of the model design may have changed to reduce parameter count.

How far back was it able to remember in your tests?

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Post by jasonhansel »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #250
jasonhansel wrote: post #225

Remember OpenAI's original mission statement? > OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence research company. Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return. Since our research is free from financial obligations, we can better focus on a positive human impact. Let's just say that their goals have obviou…

I agree that OpenAI's mission statement has always been complete horseshit, but they need to generate revenue eventually or they will run out of money.

It's not like they're going to use any of that additional revenue to suddenly start achieving their original mission. So they won't accomplish the stated mission either way.

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Post by [deleted] »

unshavedyak wrote: post #161
phailhaus wrote: post #64

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> Yes, I know the information isn't always 100% accurate. Neither are the books, blogs, courses, etc., I pay for Those are two completely different things. ChatGPT has no obligation to be correct, and isn't even trying! It is a chatbot. Its prime directive is only to sound believable . Those books, blogs, courses, etc are at least trying to be correct and provide you with reliable information on a topic. Try using Ch…

I did, and it was wrong in subtle ways for sure.. but honestly, it was right enough that i was really impressed. Like i think if you're aware that it can be confidently wrong then it can help you explore areas you don't know. To think of it differently it felt like learning via comments on Reddit. Which is to say a large portion of Reddit posts are shockingly confidently wrong. But with ChatGPT you can inspect those…

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Post by namaria »

freedomben wrote: post #261
namaria wrote: post #227

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It comes down to the strawman fallacy. If a specific claim is made that can be refuted, that's science. If you just hand wave away huge chunks of philosophy and literature based on a specific claim that someone made, or that you stand up for the purpose of discussion, then you are impoverishing human culture. Maybe you should read ancient Greek mythology before saying 'Zeus is bunk'. Is there a specific claim about r…

Who said ancient Greek texts about Zeus have zero philosophical value? I didn't, and I doubt anyone except you did, so it's quite ironic that you say: > It comes down to the strawman fallacy Most atheists are scientists. People talk about what they know. If you're mad because they don't talk about Greek mythology (which is a pretty different subject), are you mad that they don't discuss the correct way to make a ham…

I also never said you did. I'm also not mad about anything. I also don't know what most scientists believe and don't make claims about that.

I'm not making any claims. I'm just stating opinions.

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Post by drexlspivey »

anthropodie wrote: post #257
30minAdayHN wrote: post #243

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But aren’t they also burning like $3M or something everyday? Maybe wishful, but I hope this is to offset the burn rather than make profits. I was worried that they would kill chatGPT because of the burn rate.

> $3M per day That figure really is eye watering like Sam said. Any chance we might be able to reduce that cost? It must be the power costs right? The hardware is one time cost I assume. Why not power it over renewables?

They don't own the hardware, it's running on Azure

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Post by influx »

gaganyaan wrote: post #263
icelancer wrote: post #239

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Scientism is the fastest growing religion in America these days - people just want to believe in higher powers of any sort. For almost everyone who says it, "I believe in science" is usually no different than saying they believe in the Judeo-Christian God. Science's greatest doubters tend to work in the field.

Whenever people complain about scientism, I assume they're gullible marks complaining that their favorite woo is rightly getting called out as nonsense. It hasn't steered me wrong yet.

Sadly, science has been politicized, and has had such perverse incentives applied at the University that it's almost corrupt.

For example, peer review, (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/).

The replication crisis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis).

If you're not able to call out woo in science, I assume you're also a gullible mark that simply trusts authorities in a lab coat instead of authorities in a priest smock.

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