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Post by tester457 »

nszceta wrote: post #9
Heidaradar wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol, I agree that it came out of nowhere, but it has been affecting student's learning IMO - not sure if it's been for better or worse.

Almost certainly negatively. Why learn or put in effort into written text prompts when examiners can be easily fooled with machine generated prose? Those that lack discipline, self-control, and have no desire to learn will eliminate themselves.

While letting the slackers slack more, it lets the diligent learn more. I do self guided study and it's perfect for generating questions to quiz oneself on based on a text, and create answers based on that text. Doing this prevents the ai hallucinations. Not to mention creating flashcards and simple shell scripts for any task to manage it all.

There so many ways this revolutionizes learning for erudite people.

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Post by qwytw »

thenewwazoo wrote: post #184
techdragon wrote: post #171

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America has “Puritan Roots”, while long removed and tempered by centuries of immigration, westward expansion into territory of other cultures both native and similarly imperial (the French and Spanish territories of the new world) … but somehow you can still see the Puritans influence, reverberating down through time in the minds of each generation of waspy Protestants… it even got monetised in the form of purity pre…

The peer comment to this one gets it right. The Puritans predated the Victorians by a couple hundred years. That'd be like saying the Victorians were reacting to the degeneracy of Fox News. My recollection (vague as it is now after decades since taking classes) is that the Calvinists and Puritans decided to leave northern Europe (remember there were more than just Brits sending boats) after being denied authority to…

There were two strains of "Puritans" in England. The Pilgrims believed that the Church of England was unredeemable and preferred to establish their own community somewhere else where they wouldn't be persecuted anymore. They (well some of them) first moved to the Netherlands and later to America.

Non-separatist Puritans who remained in England or moved to Massachusetts wanted to "reform" the Church of England instead of establishing their own. They later won the civil war and established a religious dictatorship (well obviously that's grossly oversimplified and there were many other groups besides the puritans which took part in that)...

The Plymouth colony was established by the separatists/Pilgrims while most non-separatist Puritans went to New England. The ones in Plymouth were a bit more tolerant (e.g. they didn't hang Quakers like the Puritans in Massachusetts did, only fined then and stripped them of their civil rights, so I guess that's something...)

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Post by beepbooptheory »

bilsbie wrote: post #32

My son asked if which of two animals would win in a fight and we just got a lecture about how fighting is bad. I hope they’ll give an option to turn off what I’m calling “hall monitor mode” That could be worth paying for.

I just wish many of you were as passionate about the biases of AI people have been talking about for years with regard to CV (or other algorithms) and skin color as you are about this. I don't want to paint too broad a stroke, but such complaints and critiques have been harangued or dismissed on here for years and years. But as soon as the chatbot starts sounding too much like a woke teenager or protective mom, everyone is up in arms.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24527138

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11199506

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14110807

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Post by namaria »

icelancer wrote: post #239
namaria wrote: post #193

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On the subject of American Christians, I find ironic that one of the reasons of the splintering of western Christianity, namely the sales of indulgence, is one of the main driving forces of modern Christianity. I also lament the poverty of philosophical debate when American refute preposterous positions held by these post modern Christians and think they have refuted the whole of human religion as bunk. All the while…

Scientism is the fastest growing religion in America these days - people just want to believe in higher powers of any sort. For almost everyone who says it, "I believe in science" is usually no different than saying they believe in the Judeo-Christian God. Science's greatest doubters tend to work in the field.

I believe in peer-reviewed, evidence based reasoning. I also love to read on the multitude philosophical traditions seeking to make sense of reality. And most importantly (to my mental health and well being) I don't make either part of my identity. I identify as a colony of human cells and microbes.

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Post by steve76 »

IMTDb wrote: post #196
scifibestfi wrote: post #122

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It's weird because America is at once the home of the free, but also the home of a hardcore set of puritans who love to get control of the moral compass and enforce it on everyone else. It comes in waves. The last wave was in the 80s. But this wave is larger and more totalizing. Control of the internet and AI output is the ultimate hall monitor tool.

> is at once the home of the free That's just marketing; no one in their right minds considers the US to be "the land of the free" that it pretends to be. And all objective measures of "freedom" give it an "above average" score - at best. Saying something very loud and very often does not make it true.

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Post by ianzakalwe »

30minAdayHN wrote: post #243
jasonhansel wrote: post #225

Remember OpenAI's original mission statement? > OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence research company. Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return. Since our research is free from financial obligations, we can better focus on a positive human impact. Let's just say that their goals have obviou…

But aren’t they also burning like $3M or something everyday? Maybe wishful, but I hope this is to offset the burn rather than make profits. I was worried that they would kill chatGPT because of the burn rate.

Atm they have somewhat unlimited credit on Azure, how long it will last is hard to say.

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Post by anthropodie »

30minAdayHN wrote: post #243
jasonhansel wrote: post #225

Remember OpenAI's original mission statement? > OpenAI is a non-profit artificial intelligence research company. Our goal is to advance digital intelligence in the way that is most likely to benefit humanity as a whole, unconstrained by a need to generate financial return. Since our research is free from financial obligations, we can better focus on a positive human impact. Let's just say that their goals have obviou…

But aren’t they also burning like $3M or something everyday? Maybe wishful, but I hope this is to offset the burn rather than make profits. I was worried that they would kill chatGPT because of the burn rate.

> $3M per day

That figure really is eye watering like Sam said. Any chance we might be able to reduce that cost? It must be the power costs right? The hardware is one time cost I assume. Why not power it over renewables?

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Post by sebzim4500 »

FamosoRandom wrote: post #53

They can monetize it if they want, but I just want it to not be as bad as DALL-E 2. When using an AI, it's not unusual to have to tinker a bit to get exactly what you want from it. Today, DALL-E cost 15$ to use it 115 times, but 90% of the time you don't really get good images, or necessarily exactly what you want. it means that you're actually paying 15$ for 10 or something image that are actually what you wanted. I…

>15$ for 200 message

The GPT3 api is way cheaper than that, so I would expect the final price of chatgpt premium to be quite low.

If it was 15$ for 5000 messages would you still worry so much about wasting credit?

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Post by hanoz »

gavinray wrote: post #18

Curious what others would pay/if anyone else signed the form? I'd pay like $10/mo I think. Possibly more if there were no censorship/limitations (it had access to internet browsing, and I could direct it to URL's for information and whatnot). I pay that for Copilot right now, which I feel is easily worth $50/mo. (I don't use ChatGPT that much, it'd need to be ingrained in my IDE workflow)

I think I'd pay $10/mo for it but then I'd probably cancel my Copilot subscription because its integration with Visual Studio is so poor.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

solveit wrote: post #212
IMTDb wrote: post #196

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> is at once the home of the free That's just marketing; no one in their right minds considers the US to be "the land of the free" that it pretends to be. And all objective measures of "freedom" give it an "above average" score - at best. Saying something very loud and very often does not make it true.

Eh, it depends. The USA does have some of the most stringent protections for speech in the world.

And yet it also has Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

Furthermore, people have the freedom to talk about a great many things, but apparently not the freedom to enjoy actual beneficial policy changes. What use is freedom of speech then other than as an excuse to show off moral superiority? Many in the US also do not enjoy freedom of movement, as many places are dangerous, especially during certain times and for certain population groups.

I'd say that the oversimplified understanding of what freedom means, and the insistance that that one definition of freedom is the only valid form of freedom, also does a lot of damage.

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