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The gas industry is paying Instagram influencers to gush over gas stoves (2020)

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Post by Lutger »

shapefrog wrote: post #48
pclmulqdq wrote: post #25

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That's not the point - only a few loonies on the left are pushing it. Most of the left and the right are opposed. That makes it not a left/right issue.

Fossil fuel gas hobs and boilers BANNED in all new-build homes from 2025. UK Government legislation ... from a right wing government.

Yes. This doesn't mean gas stoves are banned (existing ones are not outlawed). In fact its not about stoves at all. It means some countries are doing at least something to address climate change.

Eventually we all need to move away from gas, this is about that. Not banning gas stoves overnight, but gradually banning all fossil fuels, which you can't do if everybody is still cooking on gas. You need to gradually reduce your dependency on it.

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Post by hermannj314 »

Who is pushing to ban gas stoves?

First it was adding catalytic converters in cars, then regulating tobacco, banning asbestos, removing contaminants from drinking water. It never stops.

This is nothing more than one more rung in a decades long campaign of using the democratic process to hold companies accountable for pollutants and slowly improve the health and well-being of millions of Americans. Sure, air is cleaner and these interventions have all been amazingly effective, but qui bono?

Who are these people? What do they have to gain from all these laws?

I'm worried my grandchildren are going to have to grow up in a healthy, well regulated world where when they buy products in stores they don't have to worry about how it will impact their health or the health of their community.

Being American means slowly killing yourself and your neighbors for the greater GDP. I don't want us to lose that.

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Post by astura »

fvdessen wrote: post #20
api wrote: post #5

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The makers of high power battery stoves maybe? For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. This replicates some of the advantages of gas. But honestly I think the ban gas stoves thing is brought to you by the same people who gave us bans on plastic straws. "Let's maximally i…

The reason why there’s a battle about gas stoves is that people care a lot more about the way they cook than the way they heat their house, but if they cook with gas, then they heat with gas. So if you want to push people away from gas heating towards electric heat pumps, then you need to attack gas stoves

>if they cook with gas, then they heat with gas

Not true, at least not by definition. I heat with oil and cook with gas. My gas stove is fed by an outdoor propane tank that's filled once a year. When I was house hunting there were plenty of houses with gas ranges but I didn't see a single one with gas heat, that's really uncommon here.

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Post by ufmace »

resoluteteeth wrote: post #28
fvdessen wrote: post #20

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The reason why there’s a battle about gas stoves is that people care a lot more about the way they cook than the way they heat their house, but if they cook with gas, then they heat with gas. So if you want to push people away from gas heating towards electric heat pumps, then you need to attack gas stoves

Huh? The reason people have been talking about stopping use of gas stoves is that they put out pollution inside people's homes, which is pretty separate from the overall dialogue about fossil fuels or how to heat homes.

Since when is there pollution inside homes from gas stoves? How have all of the millions of gas stove users been cooking multiple meals with them on a daily basis and nobody noticed this supposed pollution?

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Post by treeman79 »

hermannj314 wrote: post #62

Who is pushing to ban gas stoves? First it was adding catalytic converters in cars, then regulating tobacco, banning asbestos, removing contaminants from drinking water. It never stops. This is nothing more than one more rung in a decades long campaign of using the democratic process to hold companies accountable for pollutants and slowly improve the health and well-being of millions of Americans. Sure, air is cleane…

The president is pushing this

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Post by cameronhowe »

mikrl wrote: post #7

It’s politicized too which is ridiculous. I’ve seen takes that being pro gas cookery is right-wing. Yes, it’s obvious that gas heat and cooking could cause respiratory issues due to combustion. As a gourmand though, cooking on a gas range is the best experience wrt temp control and convenience. I prefer an electric oven, and the heating system I’m impartial to, though radiant hot water is what I fondly remember from…

Can you elaborate how you find gas more convenient that an induction stove?

I've worked in a kitchen with gas and I found it awful. It was harder to clean, you had to be really careful to not burn yourself when you had to do a quick wipedown. Making sure not only that you turned it off, but that anyone else there wasn't forgetful either.

Induction like I have at home now is so convenient. I have no worries. It responds super quick to temp changes, it automatically detects if I have something on the stove or not, so no fear of wasting power. You can't burn yourself. The surface is flat and super easy to keep clean.

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Post by osigurdson »

bombcar wrote: post #55
bob1029 wrote: post #49

The respiratory argument I really don't understand with specific regard to gas vs electric cooking. I don't care if my range is powered by alien technology that magically sequesters carbon somewhere else - When you heat something above a certain temperature, you are producing all kinds of chemical compounds that are not going to be good for you. It doesn't really matter how the mass was brought to that temperature. T…

I suspect that of measuring “particulates in the air” pressure cookers and microwaves easily win.

A microwave and pressure cooker only future is the definition of dystopia.

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Post by tallanvor »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #33
yetihehe wrote: post #21

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> For those who don't know these are stoves that have on board batteries allowing them to generate, for a period of time, far more heat than an ordinary house circuit would be able to power. Depends on ordinarity of a house. My ordinary house has 3phase power and my pretty cheap induction stove outperforms all gas stoves I had. When I was living in a flat, I only had single phase power, but 4kW should still be enough…

> In USA you typically only have 110V Surely stoves are connected to the 220 V connection? Same for washers and dryers. 110 V in the US is one arm of a centre tapped secondary.

Electric stoves and dryers are connected 240V, yes. Washers are typically only 120V because they only really have to power the motor - unlike in Europe, the washer has hot and cold water inputs, so it doesn't need to use a lot of energy heating the water.

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Post by xiphias2 »

alamortsubite wrote: post #8

The "Rappin' with Gas!" video is featured in this Climate Town at about the 2:45 mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX2aZUav-54

Great, it explains the reason quite well: if somebody installs gas ovens, they probably get gas heating and water boiler as well at the same time (which is where the real money is at)

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Post by ryukafalz »

sokoloff wrote: post #39
fvdessen wrote: post #20

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The reason why there’s a battle about gas stoves is that people care a lot more about the way they cook than the way they heat their house, but if they cook with gas, then they heat with gas. So if you want to push people away from gas heating towards electric heat pumps, then you need to attack gas stoves

If you want to push people away from gas heating, just tax the shit out of gas. No household uses enough gas for cooking that it would matter that much to them. (We cook a fair amount and heat domestic water with gas. In the summer, our bills are around $30/mo, including about $12 in fixed charges. Quadruple the usage charges [add a 300% tax], and if I want to cook with gas, I still will, but I sure as hell will get…

Two things:

- That would have an immediate financial impact on people with gas boilers in a way that banning new gas appliances does not. This kind of thing would need to be rolled out very slowly over time if you want to avoid extreme backlash. Constraints on new construction don't have the same effects.

(EDIT: Ah, you edited your comment to address this one - sure, if you can reliably distribute funds for lower-income people to replace their appliances then maybe. I bet you still get a lot of backlash from people who can afford it but don't want to though. Unless it's rolled out very slowly.)

- Ultimately we need to get rid of the infrastructure piping all that gas around too, as that's where a lot of the climate impacts come from. Any new gas usage at all, whether for cooking or heating, makes it harder to do that.

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