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Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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For a block that won't even grant a rocket launchpad permit, I'd say this timeline is probably optimistic. If we look at how other permit processes have worked within our industry, it will be at least 10-15 years before we can actually begin mining and deliver raw materials to the market.

it is important to check that the stuff is really there, what grade in which place, how to design the mine so that it hits all the high grade places but doesn't collapse and machinery can get in, if it can be extracted without risks to outsiders, how to process it, where to get power, water, how to transport stuff there and back, what will be waste products, what to do with those, how much can be recycled, etc. Preliminary feasibility study & definitive feasibility study.

All this "studying" costs real money (as it involves drilling, chemistry experiments and so on) that needs to be raised first, too

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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Quite impressive that little Sweden has found the second most elements in the world, 19 of them. https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/legac...

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It's also stupid and insulting, because those discoveries have far more to do with the capability of Swedish chemists than they do with geography.

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Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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Which interestingly is called Volfram in Swedish.

And in English we use both Tungsten and Wolfram. The former is more popular, but the latter is still the basis of the element's symbol.

I don't know anyone who refers to the element as wolfram in English. The abbreviations are internationally standardized and many don't stand for the English words anyway (Latin is quite common, e.g. Pb means plumbum, for lead).

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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But a Swedish speaking Finn and it seems he made his discoveries while living in Sweden. From wikipedia: "Johan Gadolin was born in Åbo (Finnish name Turku), Finland (then a part of Sweden)." [0] "In 1779 Gadolin moved to Uppsala University." Uppsala is in Sweden. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Gadolin

> But a Swedish speaking Finn this is the argument Russia has used to invade Ukraine...

Swedish is an official language in Finland nowadays. Back then, it was just a part of Sweden (Finland was not independent)

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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Yeah the Swedes helped Nazi Germany immensely selling them high quality iron. There were invasion plans drawn up going from German controlled Narvik to Kiruna, but the Swedes was so accommodating that it wasn't needed.

Interestingly, the Brits had drawn up their own 'preemptive invasion' plans for Norway and Sweden to 'discourage' Germany from doing the same, which was then 'pre-pre-empted' by the German invasion of Norway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_R_4

There's a big difference between planning something and actually going through with it. The military makes all sorts of contingency plans that never have a serious shot of seeing use. Per the linked article, the Allies were expecting some level of cooperation from the countries in question, which they never got, thus the plan never executed. It was not supposed to be a full-on violent invasion like the Nazis' actions.

Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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Very important to start mining these to get away from dependence on questionable activities in China and Kongo. We just have to hope that the "greens" don't stand in the way as they usually do.

I am ignorant on the topic, but strategical, wouldn’t it be better to wait until supply disruptions, while keeping the reserves accessible quickly.

All depends but mining operations are complex to setup, not only operationally but legally.

When doing this, you get the know-how and research on how to do it properly and efficiently.

Plus, we want to - to the extent possible - rely more on metals than oil, so seems logical enough.

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Humans will always $hit where they eat, so I say, go full hog on the Universe. We are less than a rounding error in time and space in terms of the damage we can do to it. It's like peeing in the ocean. The Earth is unique and precious, but the vast out there - we cannot do our worst even if we tried.

> Humans will always $hit where they eat So does every other living thing, in fact. It's not like every animal and plant is a nature conservationist and humans are the mindless exploiters - it's actually the other way around. We talk about restraining ourselves because, unlike the rest of the nature, we can choose to be selfless, or at least thing longer-term and at ecosystem scale. Also, you're absolutely correct. E…

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Re: Europe's largest deposit of rare earth metals discovered in Sweden

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Kiruna has a long history about mining incl world war II importance for iron. Also due execessive minig the whole town needed to be moved: “In 2004, it was decided that the present centre of the municipality would have to be relocated to counter mining-related subsidence.[29] The relocation would be made gradually over the coming decade. On January 8, 2007, a new location was proposed, northwest to the foot of the Lu…

Yeah the Swedes helped Nazi Germany immensely selling them high quality iron. There were invasion plans drawn up going from German controlled Narvik to Kiruna, but the Swedes was so accommodating that it wasn't needed.

Honestly, okay and? To understand context, Germany was like USA back then. A LOT of media, books, philisophy, goods came from there. German was read and spoken as a language like English is now.

We did it so we would not get bombed, rolled and smoked.

Sweden was dirt poor after the wars of 1600s. In the 1800s and early 1900s people emigrated to the USA as people where so poor and the government actually had to stop it for a while. It was only after WW2 we really started to prosper. First due to natural resources, still important exports for us, enabled us to renovate cities, but making the right choices, we also invested in a knowledge based society, government laid phone cables and fibre, had a tax programme for home computers in the 90s/early 00s, school was mandatory early on, collage was free from the start etc etc etc

We are a country of 10milion and we built 3 jets of our own design, JAS Gripen is one of the best currently flying, we design our own submarines, worldwide tech companies like Ericsson for phones, 3/4/5G, Software companies like Spotify, Gaming like Minecraft, Battlefield, Division, SAAB/Scania for trucks all over.

Imagine the city of New York doing that, cant imagine.

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