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House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by esarbe »

ashwagary wrote: post #84
slowmovintarget wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They seem to just be against anything the Democrats are for these days. This. This was the problem with Democrats for a long time. They weren't for anything, they were just against Republicans. Republicans in government used to be well-educated and their main ideological thrust was based on a set of principles of limited government, free-market capitalism, and maximum agency of the governed. They fell short of this…

This political posturing will probably ensure an increase in support come election time. People are getting savaged by inflation while the Democrats want the IRS to hire more agents that have a habit of targeting the middle income and poor because they are low hanging fruit.

Please stop spreading such nonsense. They don't have "a habit of targeting the middle income" people because they are low hanging fruits. They currently target middle income people because the lack the funds to go after the affluent and the wealthy and the obscenely rich.

That's what the additional funds is trying to rectify.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-20/super-ric...

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by prottog »

jfengel wrote: post #73
prottog wrote: post #67

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> instead of actually governing And what do you suppose should be the priorities for the federal government? What needs actually governing that can't be better done at state and local levels at the moment?

Whether it could, in theory, be done better locally, then at the very least you'd need to plan for that. You can't just turn off the Social Security Administration, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Homeland Security etc and assume that the states will pick up those jobs tomorrow. We could have a decent argument about which jobs are better handled by a federal government and which aren't. The notion…

How about the notion that the federal government is doing way more than it should given its remit under the Constitution? That's my point, not that it can and should cease to exist.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by jfengel »

prottog wrote: post #92
jfengel wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether it could, in theory, be done better locally, then at the very least you'd need to plan for that. You can't just turn off the Social Security Administration, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Homeland Security etc and assume that the states will pick up those jobs tomorrow. We could have a decent argument about which jobs are better handled by a federal government and which aren't. The notion…

How about the notion that the federal government is doing way more than it should given its remit under the Constitution? That's my point, not that it can and should cease to exist.

I don't actually believe that, because the Constitution is deliberately vague about what the government can and can't do. It exists in its current form as the result of 250 years of evolution, following the rules at each step as best it could.

Even so, I'd be willing to say, "Sure, fine, the government is doing more than it should". That's pretty vacuously true, and also irrelevant. Getting people to agree on which parts are important, and finding a better way to implement them, seems a more germane question.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by homeland221 »

V__ wrote: post #31
_null_ wrote: post #23

This is just the first in a long list of "messaging" bills that will come from a very slim Republican House, because there is Democratic control of the Senate. They know it won't become law. The point is to rile up the media, get hits on cable news, fund raise, and generally be useless as a governing body. This is what both parties do when they are out of power, and I would say is what they _prefer_ to do. It's easie…

I really don't get this “both parties” attitude. There is no basis for that argument. There is a lot to criticize about Democrats, but they at least want to govern.

Democrats want to govern? Maybe you want to check the 10 bottom cities in America say by crime rate and poverty metrics. Name too 10 cities or even towns in USA and check which party doing the governing.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by mixmastamyk »

bb88 wrote: post #89
mixmastamyk wrote: post #86

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NIMBYs are everywhere while the population is always growing. Did you think you would escape it, or just want to blame city slickers who like a roof over their head?

If you're defending NIMBYism with this post, it fails on many fronts.

Please read again.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by taylodl »

ashwagary wrote: post #83
taylodl wrote: post #72

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So you're saying the government should regulate how you use your private property? That's an interesting idea coming from a so-called "red" state.

Hotels should be zoned for commercial activity. He's right about the AirBNB business model increasing homelessness.

What has increased homelessness is communities restricting new building. The homeless have no means for buying the typical AirBNB property.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by wwweston »

taylodl wrote: post #96
ashwagary wrote: post #83

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Hotels should be zoned for commercial activity. He's right about the AirBNB business model increasing homelessness.

What has increased homelessness is communities restricting new building. The homeless have no means for buying the typical AirBNB property.

Not adding supply and taking existing supply off the market both contribute to supply issues.

And I'm not sure that AirBnB avoids any particular segment of the market; it can as easily cannibalize 1bd condos as it can 4bd homes.

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by Someone »

__derek__ wrote: post #34
Someone wrote: post #9

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FTA!: “a bill that would abolish the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), eliminate the national income tax, and replace it with a national consumption tax.” I guess they mean a (federal) sales tax because taxing at time of consumption is fairly hard to implement.

> taxing at time of consumption is fairly hard to implement Yet very amusing to imagine.[1] [1]: In a Monty Python or Douglas Adams way, natch.

I imagined it in a dystopian way with zillions of cameras everywhere (how else would we know who ate that sandwich that you took with you when you went hiking with friends for a week?), but yours is better.

Imagine John Cleese working in an office, tallying how much toilet paper every employee uses at work, so that they (the consumers) can be taxed for it, and not their employer (who merely bought it)

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by ashwagary »

esarbe wrote: post #91
ashwagary wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This political posturing will probably ensure an increase in support come election time. People are getting savaged by inflation while the Democrats want the IRS to hire more agents that have a habit of targeting the middle income and poor because they are low hanging fruit.

Please stop spreading such nonsense. They don't have "a habit of targeting the middle income" people because they are low hanging fruits. They currently target middle income people because the lack the funds to go after the affluent and the wealthy and the obscenely rich. That's what the additional funds is trying to rectify. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-20/super-ric...

>They don't have "a habit of targeting the middle income" people because they are low hanging fruits.

>They currently target middle income people because the lack the funds to go after the affluent and the wealthy and the obscenely rich.

Low-hanging fruit: The obvious or easy things that can be most readily done or dealt with in achieving success or making progress toward an objective.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/low-hanging%20fru...

It's not nonsense, it's the reality.

Additionally, do you really believe US corruption is minor enough that politicians will target the major donor class for tax violations en mass?

Re: House Republicans to vote on bill abolishing IRS, eliminating income tax

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Post by ashwagary »

taylodl wrote: post #96
ashwagary wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hotels should be zoned for commercial activity. He's right about the AirBNB business model increasing homelessness.

What has increased homelessness is communities restricting new building. The homeless have no means for buying the typical AirBNB property.

>The homeless have no means for buying the typical AirBNB property.

This is partially due to people buying up available housing stock to AirBNB resulting in a skewing of prices.

Many houses that would be back on the market now sit empty with no tenants for significant portions of every month thanks to that business model.

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