I've also seen other things that a company puts out that makes it sound delightful (Patreon layoffs, Netflix culture) but talking to people internally gets a very different opinion.
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I do not know but in my companies I do adjust it. How much depends on how large of a change there is.
Is there really a difference between firing someone and reassigning them with (let’s be real here) a (probably substantial) pay cut? Certainly most unemployment agencies would consider that constructive dismissal
IMO, I think a lot of employers that I have worked with really undervalued how expensive it is to hire someone.
Another option is a company like Daily has a transparent, years-of-experience based, pay structure. So if you switch to a new role, it is clear how your compensation will change:
https://www.daily.co/blog/rethinking-levels-promotions-and-s...
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not know but in my companies I do adjust it. How much depends on how large of a change there is.
Is there really a difference between firing someone and reassigning them with (let’s be real here) a (probably substantial) pay cut? Certainly most unemployment agencies would consider that constructive dismissal
Sure, a new role with less responsibility and less pay could work, but that doesn’t mean it’s in the best interest of both parties.
I could see a horizontal change being effective, but not a demotion.
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#14Yes Richard Branson does this and I learnt it from one of his videos. You never fire. You move them around. If they are a good person who is honest and hard working, you can find a job for them.
I saw a fraction of an episode of Richard Branson’s “The Apprentice” and was struck by the fact that (unlike a different host of the US The Apprentice) he considered the act of firing someone very painful. It was an existence proof that billionaires do not have to be heartless psychopaths - even though media consistently gives us this impression. And - predictably - his version of the show did not rate very well, and…
He was hoisted up in a capsule with different contestants above Angel Falls. Branson encouraged the contestants to abandon their fears and press a button that would release the cables and send the capsule plunging to the water below. Whoever pressed the button was kicked off the show. The drop was high enough to kill them both and Branson said he couldn’t afford to have people around him that were afraid to tell him no.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not know but in my companies I do adjust it. How much depends on how large of a change there is.
Is there really a difference between firing someone and reassigning them with (let’s be real here) a (probably substantial) pay cut? Certainly most unemployment agencies would consider that constructive dismissal
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I saw a fraction of an episode of Richard Branson’s “The Apprentice” and was struck by the fact that (unlike a different host of the US The Apprentice) he considered the act of firing someone very painful. It was an existence proof that billionaires do not have to be heartless psychopaths - even though media consistently gives us this impression. And - predictably - his version of the show did not rate very well, and…
One lesson from Branson’s Apprentice that always stuck with me: He was hoisted up in a capsule with different contestants above Angel Falls. Branson encouraged the contestants to abandon their fears and press a button that would release the cables and send the capsule plunging to the water below. Whoever pressed the button was kicked off the show. The drop was high enough to kill them both and Branson said he couldn’…
So, instead of people who trust the proven professionals around them to do their job you get people scared of heights or averse to physical risks (who could be perfectly happy taking massive financial risks)?
Do you really think it shows anything useful?
[Where, when, which channel was this series shown, please?]
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
One lesson from Branson’s Apprentice that always stuck with me: He was hoisted up in a capsule with different contestants above Angel Falls. Branson encouraged the contestants to abandon their fears and press a button that would release the cables and send the capsule plunging to the water below. Whoever pressed the button was kicked off the show. The drop was high enough to kill them both and Branson said he couldn’…
Seems more of a TV gimmick than a test for sycophants. You know Branson does daring activities, you know you're on a TV show where the utmost care is taken by a whole team of professionals, ... it's a cheap trick. So, instead of people who trust the proven professionals around them to do their job you get people scared of heights or averse to physical risks (who could be perfectly happy taking massive financial risks…
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
One lesson from Branson’s Apprentice that always stuck with me: He was hoisted up in a capsule with different contestants above Angel Falls. Branson encouraged the contestants to abandon their fears and press a button that would release the cables and send the capsule plunging to the water below. Whoever pressed the button was kicked off the show. The drop was high enough to kill them both and Branson said he couldn’…
Seems more of a TV gimmick than a test for sycophants. You know Branson does daring activities, you know you're on a TV show where the utmost care is taken by a whole team of professionals, ... it's a cheap trick. So, instead of people who trust the proven professionals around them to do their job you get people scared of heights or averse to physical risks (who could be perfectly happy taking massive financial risks…
It was certainly a “made for TV” / theatrical way of making a point. But the point stuck with me as it was pretty diametrically opposed to the other Apprentice show which rewarded people for following instructions.
Looks like it was Victoria Falls: https://youtu.be/BrA__e6s1kg
Clip starts at 4:38
> you know you're on a TV show where the utmost care is taken by a whole team of professionals
I think that’s kind of the point though, is if you’re saying you’re capable of being President of Virgin (the prize I believe), then there is little to no safety net. You are the professional in charge responsible for everyone else’s safety. If you just assume that Branson’s prepared and thought of everything already then you’re not adding the value he’s looking for. He wants people that are skeptical of every detail and proposition (even his).
But granted it’s not the actual way he’d vet for this quality. It was spiced up for TV. I just found it impactful that he valued that skeptic quality in his team.