What’s the technological leap equivalent when I finally turn in my 2011 Fusion and get a car with this type of tech?
Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
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Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am paraphrasing a quote I have heard before, "Pioneers get the bullets and settlers get the land." Might not be actual bullets but pioneers today have to deal with legislators, put up charging stations, develop most components from scratch and so on. These are the modern day bullets. If they don't get bought by a larger company the larger company launches a competing product with the benefit of the experiences of t…
Can't argue that Tesla's smaller than Mercedes when Tesla's market cap is so much larger. In 2021, at it's peak Tesla's market cap crossed $1.2 Trillion. Daimler at it's peak this year only reached $81 Billion (although climbing). Why couldn't Tesla just buy out Daimler? Even now Tesla sitting at a valuation of $372 Billion. It could happen tomorrow. Tell me Elon's the savvy businessman you claim him to be. If Gates…
As an owner who experiences the “joy” of dealing with a tesla on a daily basis it’s simple: Tesla is over-valued. There’s so many little gotchas and shortcuts taken that I find it impossible to believe this company is worth what people claim it is on paper. The theoretical wealth of this company stems from consumer/investor ignorance in my opinion. That’s why he hasn’t acquired more of his competitors, the value can’t be realized, it needs to stay bottled up as “potential” for lack of better words.
Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#23For reference, level 3 is not exactly well-defined; the main requirements for level 3 over a level 2 system are[0][1]:
- OEDR is required, which is "monitoring the driving environment (detecting, recognizing, and classifying objects and events and preparing to respond as needed) and executing an appropriate response to such objects and events (i.e., as needed to complete the DDT and/or DDT fallback [fallback to driver])".
- for DDT fallback, "At Level 3, an ADS is capable of continuing to perform the DDT for at least several seconds after providing the fallback-ready user with a request to intervene. The DDT fallback-ready user is then expected to resume manual vehicle operation, or to achieve a minimal risk condition if s/he determines it to be necessary." It also mentions a scenario like a blown tire, disappearing lane lines, or a malfunctioning sensor/spatial input device.
- "DDT performance by a Level 3 ADS assumes that a fallback-ready user is available to perform the DDT as required. There is no such assumption at Levels 4 and 5."
- "A Level 3 highway overtaking assistance feature automatically performs the lateral and longitudinal vehicle motion control actions, as well as associated OEDR, necessary to pass a slower-moving vehicle on a multi-lane highway when activated by the driver or fallback-ready user." .
Otherwise, the ODD (operational design domain, ie. what conditions the level 3 system can perform in) is entirely defined by the manufacturer. The document includes low speed traffic as an example of level 3 operation:
> A Level 3 traffic jam feature performs the complete DDT on a fully access-controlled freeway in dense traffic, but requires a human driver to operate the vehicle upon ODD exit (e.g., when traffic clears, as well as before entering the congested freeway, and again upon exiting it).
Some other goodies:
- level 4 "May delay user-requested disengagement", and level 4 may still have ODD, although it cannot assume a driver fallback is available
DDT = dynamic driving task
ADS = automated driving system
Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#24> According to the SAE levels of driving automation, a Level 3-capable vehicle can take over certain driving tasks, but a driver is still required to be present and ready to take control of the car at all times when prompted to intervene. The first part of the article mentions the driver being able to take a meeting or watch a movie. That’s complete horseshit if they need to be ready to take control of the car at all…
The article is correct. The SAE explains this in more detail and makes the distinction between being constantly ready to immediately take over and being asked to resume driving.
Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
fyi neuralink fundamentally doesn't work.
Monkeys typing with Neuralink also seemed like a Cut and Dry demonstration of the potential usefulness of the device. I'm baffled as to how you can say "fyi it's fundamentally broken" without giving more detail.
physiologically, the devices have a limited lifespan due to fact that the tissue will start scarring over and render the electrodes worthless, it's an invasive procedure that can only be done once or twice. Neuronal actions are chemical interactions, not digital computer signals as well.
I agree the work they've done is kind of exciting, but they didn't solve one of the crucial issues that's been blocking the field and technology from flourishing, implantable electrodes have been around for a long time.
Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
fyi neuralink fundamentally doesn't work.
Elaborate? The demo of a Pig on a Treadmill, with accurate predictions of Joint Locations, was very impressive to me.
The longevity and viability of their work being anything more than terminal experiments is the main thing, those obviously do not make it to normal human usage. Implantable electrodes have been around for a while and are not new technology.
Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
L3 driving is only available at low speeds, approx 35mph which means only useful for stop-and-go traffic. Many cars with adaptive cruise control can already do this. Source: https://www.rambus.com/blogs/driving-automation-levels/#leve...
Then why does the article claim Mercedes is the first automaker to offer L3 driving?
The difference is the confidence level. The required level of supervision. Other cars, like Teslas, can “do” this task, but not with enough certainty that they are safe to do it while not being actively monitored by a driver.
Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#28Why's everyone being so negative? This is cool!
Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#29When I see articles like this, I have this bet between Jeff Atwood and John Carmack in the back of my mind: https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-2030-self-driving-car-bet/
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Re: Mercedes is the first automaker to offer Level 3 self-driving in the US
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
L3 driving is only available at low speeds, approx 35mph which means only useful for stop-and-go traffic. Many cars with adaptive cruise control can already do this. Source: https://www.rambus.com/blogs/driving-automation-levels/#leve...
> L3 driving is only available at low speeds, approx 35mph In that case, this paragraph from the article doesn't make much sense (in fairness, it was on pretty shaky ground to begin with): > Mercedes’ Level 3 conditionally automated driving assistant can, on suitable highway sections [emphasis added] and where traffic density is high, offer to take over the driving, leaving the driver free to do something else, like…
It's for people stuck in traffic on a congested highway.