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Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by arcturus17 »

93po wrote: post #367
turbobooster wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To conceal what?

The absolute first line: > OpenAI’s mission is to ensure that artificial general intelligence (AGI)—by which we mean highly autonomous systems that outperform humans at most economically valuable work—benefits all of humanity. is clearly not their first priority, and maybe never was. > to avoid enabling uses of AI or AGI that harm humanity or unduly concentrate power. > primary fiduciary duty is to humanity They're l…

> They're literally concentrating power into a multibillion company (MS) and are making MS their main financial priority

They were arguably concentrating power by themselves and the charter had become complete BS well before this rumor had surfaced.

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Post by visarga »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #164
doitLP wrote: post #122

Great…now OpenAI will become Microsoft Cortana SkyNet ClosedAI. Somehow I doubt this will lead to a safe rollout of more and more advanced AI in the future.

There is no scenario in which rolling out AI will be safe. As soon as someone sees it can be done, they will do it, copy it, or acquire it. Acquisition by the unscrupulous is practically guaranteed because AI is practically guaranteed to be extremely profitable, and there are several unscrupulous entities with tens of billions of dollars. The only force guiding us into the future is the economic force of the free mar…

The answer - make it free and open. We can't afford it being monopolised.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by visarga »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #220

Probably a good way to kill OpenAI and lead to an exodus of talent.

A bunch of people left OpenAI and founded AnthropicAI a year ago. They seem to have a model just as good as chatGPT, "Claude".

https://techcrunch.com/2023/01/09/anthropics-claude-improves...

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Post by Der_Einzige »

gonehome wrote: post #411
swagmoney1606 wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing that really bothers me is how much of a contradiction "OpenAI" is. There's virtually nothing open about it.

It's "open" relative to all of the research being IP of Google and FB. They pulled researchers into their own org and out of FAANG which I think was part of the motivation. They pitched it as open to the public, but I'm not sure that's what it was. I think opinions also changed because of goal alignment and AGI safety ideas becoming better understood.

FAANG engineers usually publish their research in top NLP conferences ran by the ACL, which forces all published papers to have a permissive license and highly incentives people to contribute code along with the paper for reproducibility reasons.

You don't know what you're talking about. OpenAI has done a lot of self publishing/arxiv to avoid getting slammed in peer review by the fact that none of what they have is open source.

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Post by endymi0n »

selectodude wrote: post #412
brightball wrote: post #407

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Industry is too early IMO. There’s a huge need to innovate on rapid recharge. I’d worry standardizing would negatively impact this.

Seeing as right now there are two connectors, Tesla's and literally everybody else, I'm not sure where innovation is necessary.

* literally everybody else _per continent_ please, also CCS is an abomination of a charging port.

If you would let the CCS consortium design a megawatt charger like Tesla‘s V4, mere mortals would probably not even able to lift it.

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Post by synu »

swagmoney1606 wrote: post #379
World177 wrote: post #377

> Additionally, a structure with the ownership of OpenAI would be put in place. Microsoft would entail a 49 percent stake while other investors would take over the other 49 percent. The remaining 2 percent will reportedly go to OpenAI’s non-profit parent firm. When OpenAI was funded as a non-profit in 2015, it raised $1 billion from investors that included YC Research. [1] Sam Altman was also the former president of…

One thing that really bothers me is how much of a contradiction "OpenAI" is. There's virtually nothing open about it.

AI grant is another one. It's not actually a grant at all, they take ownership of your company.

There's something about AI tech where it seems important to the owners that it comes across as open and philanthropic, even when it isn't.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

la64710 wrote: post #153

Question to AI/ML folks : Is there no comparable open source model? Is the future going to be controlled by big corporations who own the models themselves? If models are so computationally intensive to produce does it mean than the more computational power a company has the better its models will be?

The existing open source models which compete at this point suck ass in comparison.

I'm likely to do less NLP research going forward and more CV research because I can't locally run most LLMs but I sure as shit can run most of the diffusion models at home.

It's a sad situation.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

noobermin wrote: post #173
la64710 wrote: post #153

Question to AI/ML folks : Is there no comparable open source model? Is the future going to be controlled by big corporations who own the models themselves? If models are so computationally intensive to produce does it mean than the more computational power a company has the better its models will be?

People who thought AI would ever be "open source" and not "stolen from the labor of millions or even billions in order to replace them" are fools.

Why? Huggingface is most likely worth as much as OpenAI is today and everything they do is open sourced or basically open sourced.

Huggingface is one of the most beloved companies in the world right now too. Lots of interest in them within open source developer communities.

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Post by jpadkins »

dnissley wrote: post #362
andsoitis wrote: post #149

I notice a few people lamenting that OpenAI will no longer be... open. But I have to wonder, in what sense is OpenAI open today ? In 2019, OpenAI transitioned from non-profit to for-profit. At that time, Microsoft invested US$1 billion into the company. OpenAI then announced its intention to commercially license its technologies.

There was a thread on this the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34301637 My answer: I think it's that they intend to make AI into a product that can be sold, as compared to e.g. Google or other companies which develop AI internally but only use it to augment their existing portfolio of products.

AccessibleAI is probably a more accurate name than OpenAI. But not as snappy.

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Post by vouaobrasil »

adamsmith143 wrote: post #227
vouaobrasil wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no scenario in which rolling out AI will be safe. As soon as someone sees it can be done, they will do it, copy it, or acquire it. Acquisition by the unscrupulous is practically guaranteed because AI is practically guaranteed to be extremely profitable, and there are several unscrupulous entities with tens of billions of dollars. The only force guiding us into the future is the economic force of the free mar…

>We already know technology is addictive, and this is the first step to taking it to the next level and taking us away from being human. Just think about this for a moment. What are some of the most rewarding interactions you've had with people in the past year? Do you think very advanced AI (such as the next generation after ChatGPT) would have affected that? This is pointless FUD. We may be on the verge of creating…

Creating new life forms? Many people can barely raise their own children. Can you imagine if tech companies create advanced lifeforms? It's truly a disaster waiting to happen.

It's rather rude to call it pointless FUD. AI messing up our world is real and I have thought it through at great length.

Having the perfect friend is actually immensely scary. It will create a world where people interact mostly with their electronic AI friends and where people no longer rely on each other. It is very unlikely that there will be any fabric of society left at that point, and people will start to hate the existence of other people...

The best thing that could happen would be the dismantling of all these tech companies by physically destroying all their servers and backups, just as we have done with huge stockpiles of nuclear weapons.

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