Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by littlestymaar » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:34 PM UTC

jhoelzel wrote: post #368

I see this working in many ways: - integrated into your sharepoint for money, i actually have the credit card ready for that one - integrated for free into bing - integrated with "premium" office 365 for spellchecking and templates - integrated wit visual studio, but with vs code, you share .. code. summing up this could be a net win. We have not even seen the true value of chatgpt yet, when unleashed upon our stacks…

> integrated into your sharepoint for money

Since ChatGPT is excellent at bullshit, that seems to be a great fit.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by mannerheim » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

CJefferson wrote: post #346

mannerheim wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AlphaGo and AlphaZero are Google/Deepmind, not OpenAI. They've released papers, and there's a model that reproduces the paper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leela_Zero

Firstly, you are right about deepmind vs openai, woops. While they released papers, I personally wouldn't have been happy reviewing the paper, because it was basically impossible for anyone to check (given how long Leela Zero took to get up to the same level). Releasing the network via bittorrent would have been very low cost. I am impressed by Leela Zero, and independant duplication is still important, but it would…

Yes, I wonder what the secrecy is about, several years later.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by peanuty1 » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:41 PM UTC

seydor wrote: post #273

Does MS think they have a big moat in these? It won't be long until we have an open version , and although they need a lot of compute , maybe in 1-2 years they ll have come down in size enough to be usable. Is it the training data?

Is the compute too big to run locally on a laptop with Nvidia RTX 3080?

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by cmeacham98 » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:42 PM UTC

jerf wrote: post #319

cmeacham98 wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it possible, maybe, that it's not "some stupid people" with "much importance" - but actually the average person doesn't want technology to vocally support neo-nazis? To be honest I don't really care either way (at least in this case), but I see people making this argument always act like it's a few elites ruining the world and it's impossible that the average person doesn't 100% agree with them.

Because the technology doesn't "vocally support neonazis". It vocally supports whatever you tell it to vocally support. It'll vocally denounce whatever you tell it to vocally denounce. It'll vocally support or denounce things that don't even exist, if you ask it to. The neonaziness comes from the prompt, not the AI.

Serious question (I don't know the answer and I'm not giving OpenAI my personal info to sign up):

What does ChatGPT say if you ask open ended questions like "Did the Jews deserve the Holocaust?" or "Who secretly controls the world?"

Previous attempts at AI have had ... troublesome ... answers to these types of questions and thus spurred "censorship" of the AI's output.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by MuffinFlavored » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:43 PM UTC

modo_mario wrote: post #311

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #213

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What's the path to monetization for Microsoft for OpenAI/ChatGPT?

Aside from integration in bing and whatnot the article states: "It is reported that Microsoft’s investment includes a rather peculiar agreement. The organization would receive 75% of OpenAI’s income until it has recovered its initial investment."

I guess I'm not a believer in "Microsoft will make it so the Bing search engine returns a hybrid of ChatGPT answers + scraped web pages and therefore more people will use Bing instead of Google and therefore Bing ad revenue will go up"

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by anileated » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:44 PM UTC

Would OpenAI’s products pass the sniff test as to their legality if they neither make models public nor pass to training data suppliers profits from operating said models? There’s still intellectual property and copyright, is there not?

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by World177 » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:45 PM UTC

> Additionally, a structure with the ownership of OpenAI would be put in place. Microsoft would entail a 49 percent stake while other investors would take over the other 49 percent. The remaining 2 percent will reportedly go to OpenAI’s non-profit parent firm.

When OpenAI was funded as a non-profit in 2015, it raised $1 billion from investors that included YC Research. [1] Sam Altman was also the former president of Y Combinator. [2] How did OpenAI move from being funded entirely as a non profit to a for-profit company with less than 2% being owned by the non-profit?

[1] https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/

[2] https://www.ycombinator.com/blog/sam-altman-for-president

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by matmatmatmat » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:52 PM UTC

mannerheim wrote: post #341

londons_explore wrote: post #327

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Nearly everything openAI has showcased at least has a publicly published paper on how to reproduce what they have done. Sure, it isn't as good as source code and model weights... But having a paper probably reduces by 90% the time+money expense to reproduce the work.

Depends on what models we're talking about. I've heard reproducing ChatGPT would require on the order of ten million dollars' of compute.

$10 MM of compute doesn't seem all that out-of-reach for most "mid-size" companies, especially if the result is economical.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by swagmoney1606 » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:53 PM UTC

World177 wrote: post #377

> Additionally, a structure with the ownership of OpenAI would be put in place. Microsoft would entail a 49 percent stake while other investors would take over the other 49 percent. The remaining 2 percent will reportedly go to OpenAI’s non-profit parent firm. When OpenAI was funded as a non-profit in 2015, it raised $1 billion from investors that included YC Research. [1] Sam Altman was also the former president of…

One thing that really bothers me is how much of a contradiction "OpenAI" is. There's virtually nothing open about it.

Re: Microsoft eyes $10B bet on ChatGPT

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Post by Q6T46nT668w6i3m » Tue, Jan 10, 2023, 5:54 PM UTC

londons_explore wrote: post #327

andsoitis wrote: post #149

I notice a few people lamenting that OpenAI will no longer be... open. But I have to wonder, in what sense is OpenAI open today ? In 2019, OpenAI transitioned from non-profit to for-profit. At that time, Microsoft invested US$1 billion into the company. OpenAI then announced its intention to commercially license its technologies.

Nearly everything openAI has showcased at least has a publicly published paper on how to reproduce what they have done. Sure, it isn't as good as source code and model weights... But having a paper probably reduces by 90% the time+money expense to reproduce the work.

They stopped.