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Post by modo_mario »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #213
fsloth wrote: post #192

$10 Bilion for the non-ruling half of OpenAI? Impresssive. As a reference Microsoft paid $7.2 billion for the entire handset business of Nokia (which was floundering at the time, but still).

What's the path to monetization for Microsoft for OpenAI/ChatGPT?

Aside from integration in bing and whatnot the article states:

"It is reported that Microsoft’s investment includes a rather peculiar agreement. The organization would receive 75% of OpenAI’s income until it has recovered its initial investment."

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Post by cma »

seydor wrote: post #273

Does MS think they have a big moat in these? It won't be long until we have an open version , and although they need a lot of compute , maybe in 1-2 years they ll have come down in size enough to be usable. Is it the training data?

Yeah, Microsoft doesnt even make something like Google's TPU, where's the moat? Datacenter design? Involuntary Bing users?

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Post by turbobooster »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #134
TekMol wrote: post #121

Does anybody else have the feeling "Microsoft is back"? With GitHub and OpenAI the have put their finger on two pretty significant new projects. What new things has Google come up with over the last 5 years?

Sundar Pichai is easily one of the least visionary big tech CEOs

Agree...nothing cool being done over there.

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Post by ladino »

la64710 wrote: post #153

Question to AI/ML folks : Is there no comparable open source model? Is the future going to be controlled by big corporations who own the models themselves? If models are so computationally intensive to produce does it mean than the more computational power a company has the better its models will be?

what about https://github.com/karpathy/nanoGPT (currently trending on Github)

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la64710 wrote: post #153

Question to AI/ML folks : Is there no comparable open source model? Is the future going to be controlled by big corporations who own the models themselves? If models are so computationally intensive to produce does it mean than the more computational power a company has the better its models will be?

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Post by ThrowawayR2 »

lordleft wrote: post #157
TekMol wrote: post #121

Does anybody else have the feeling "Microsoft is back"? With GitHub and OpenAI the have put their finger on two pretty significant new projects. What new things has Google come up with over the last 5 years?

I started listening to the Microsoft-centric "Windows Weekly" podcast when I was a teenager 15 years ago. I have been always fascinated by Microsoft as a technology giant and never understood the vibe I got from others in the industry that MS was a musty corp past its heyday. It had gobs of money, a focus on developers and an organization maturity that gives it a serious advantage. This is not to say that MS is perfe…

There are a lot of people whose thinking fossilized (or perhaps I should say FOSS-ilized) in the '80s / '90s when Microsoft was in its growth phase and its products were a lot less stable and secure than what they evolved into (much like everything else; pre-2.0 Linux distros were riddled with problems as well) and Microsoft was aggressively throwing its weight around to defeat competitors (just like its competitors were aggressively doing to them and each other, but they never bring that up since it doesn't jibe with their narrative).

As the kids nowadays would joke, "Gates and Ballmer are living in their heads rent-free" except it's been for the past 25-30 years.

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Post by dogleash »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #303
davidguetta wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's still crazy that in 2022 the fact that some stupid people can be offended by that have that much importance.

Is it possible, maybe, that it's not "some stupid people" with "much importance" - but actually the average person doesn't want technology to vocally support neo-nazis? To be honest I don't really care either way (at least in this case), but I see people making this argument always act like it's a few elites ruining the world and it's impossible that the average person doesn't 100% agree with them.

>but actually the average person doesn't want technology to vocally support neo-nazis?

By papering over these flaws in AI without actually fixing them, it communicates to the average person that the technology built is more sophisticated than just parroting whatever nazi propaganda it picked up online.

I think that's fundamentally dishonest.

The level of distrust in AI that the average person *should* have is the same level of distrust they'd have if it also randomly supports neo-nazis.

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Post by soperj »

andsoitis wrote: post #149

I notice a few people lamenting that OpenAI will no longer be... open. But I have to wonder, in what sense is OpenAI open today ? In 2019, OpenAI transitioned from non-profit to for-profit. At that time, Microsoft invested US$1 billion into the company. OpenAI then announced its intention to commercially license its technologies.

It's as open as OOXML!

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Post by jerf »

cmeacham98 wrote: post #303
davidguetta wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's still crazy that in 2022 the fact that some stupid people can be offended by that have that much importance.

Is it possible, maybe, that it's not "some stupid people" with "much importance" - but actually the average person doesn't want technology to vocally support neo-nazis? To be honest I don't really care either way (at least in this case), but I see people making this argument always act like it's a few elites ruining the world and it's impossible that the average person doesn't 100% agree with them.

Because the technology doesn't "vocally support neonazis". It vocally supports whatever you tell it to vocally support. It'll vocally denounce whatever you tell it to vocally denounce. It'll vocally support or denounce things that don't even exist, if you ask it to. The neonaziness comes from the prompt, not the AI.

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Post by ilaksh »

danShumway wrote: post #304

This is just one of the many reasons why I don't think I'm as concerned about AI models as people around me are, either for art, text, or coding. These technologies today are highly subsidized because the people making them want to create a lot of buzz. Yes, as they mature they're going to get better; but I also suspect they're going to become more limited, harder to use, more narrowly targeted, and more expensive to…

It's so weird to me that people don't know that text-davinci-003 and code-davinci-003 exist. OpenAI models available via API and very similar to ChatGPT output in many cases. Also text-davinci-003 was released in a similar time period.

It seems very affordable to me as a startup. I have already coded most of the credits system. https://aidev.codes

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