An anecdote from the period described: I was working on a product which had hit an unknown bug on the japanese localised Windows, so our partner sent an engineer with a bunch of install disks to visit me. One of the first things he said was: look, this is the difference between the US and JP — you have three computers on your desk (he was counting the ICE), but I have to share "my" computer with two other developers.…
A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?
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#72All credibility lost here: > Cloud computing drastically reduced the capital and time required to start a startup. In the dot-com era a decade before, starting an internet startup required purchasing racks of servers and paying system administrators to keep them running, but suddenly fully configured, maintained, and secure serves could be had for a few cents per minute — pay as you go. > Suddenly Japan’s software de…
With "cloud computing" (to me even before there was the word cloud around, but thats nitpicking) suddenly your only real investment needed was your own time, which to you is "free" if you can somehow make a living on the side (some people simply accept to live poor for some time, some had their family, etc.). The few Euros for a vserver (or "webspace" at the time) were doable for most if not all. Not to mention student programs, free credits to lock you down to hyperscaler X, etc. we all have nowadays.
Or comparing it to myself: I learnt programming at the age of 12 because we got a free environment alongside our ISP contract for executing PHP with a mysql database behind it. I would never have spent any money. Now I have been a professional software developer for almost 16 years which I say is thanks to that way lower barrier of entry that was created along the lines of ~ 1995 - 2005.
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#73This economic malefactor is now hanging over many of the western countries, the UK potentially the next to collapse.
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#75An anecdote from the period described: I was working on a product which had hit an unknown bug on the japanese localised Windows, so our partner sent an engineer with a bunch of install disks to visit me. One of the first things he said was: look, this is the difference between the US and JP — you have three computers on your desk (he was counting the ICE), but I have to share "my" computer with two other developers.…
Milage vary, my own anecdote: until we got Macs (OSX) as dev machines, every companies I worked for in Japan allowed us to buy two individual machines: the standard Windows one (just like every other employee) and a linux "server" for our dev needs we'd ssh into.
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#76The key part to me: > But the rest of the word was moving in a different direction. The rest of the world was moving away from dedicated hardware and towards innovative software running on standard hardware platforms. This piece is about Japan vs the world, but looking at countries other than the US I'm not sure this narrative works. For instance did the UK become a Software behemoth ? France ? Germany ? Brazil ? Ind…
It seems sort of consistent?
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#77What do I mean by this? Basically: If you're a wizard at peeling the skin off an apple with your knife you never need an apple peeler; consequently, you never get a good peeler industry going. Meanwhile, Americans manufacture the best apple peelers because they can't skin an apple with a knife to save their own lives.
Likewise, Japan doesn't /need/ or /want/ the conveniences and luxuries afforded by genuinely good programming. Japanese can and will get by with the hard(er) way and won't care.
Tools exist to address an inconvenience. Good tools exist to make a convenient inconvenience even more convenient. And good toolmakers exist to enable such better conveniences. None of this can exist if there aren't inconveniences in the first place.
This also extends to the hardware side of things, too. Take flash memory, for example. Flash memory was invented in Japan by Toshiba, but nobody cared because Japan was too good. Meanwhile, Intel and the west seized upon the invention and made bank.[1] We all know where Toshiba is now.
This I feel is why Japanese programmers continue to be utterly inept (most still can't produce unicode programs), and why the wider industry in Japan continues to be irrelevant on the world stage from a programming perspective. There is no Japanese equivalent to Microsoft or Google or Amazon because Japan's too good for that.
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#78The key part to me: > But the rest of the word was moving in a different direction. The rest of the world was moving away from dedicated hardware and towards innovative software running on standard hardware platforms. This piece is about Japan vs the world, but looking at countries other than the US I'm not sure this narrative works. For instance did the UK become a Software behemoth ? France ? Germany ? Brazil ? Ind…
Bull for instance. Ubisoft and a bazillion other video game company. Alcatel / Lucent / Thales for industrial stuff.
For the deepness of my ass I would say failure was tree fold :
- France like a good old top down approach. That … mostly don’t work for software.
- France decided to listen to our American friends and sell the familly heirloom to the market. ( I’m bitter on this one )
- France like to do it the “right” way, and that is, of course, the French way. That lead us to build our own internet in the 80’s ( see : minitel ) ( see : point 1 )
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#79To group and respond to a few common comments:
> 1) Is this unique to Japan? Most other countries have not developed world-dominating software industries. That is true, but most other countries did not enter the PC era after spending several disrupting and dominating multiple global industries. So, expectations of Japan were much higher.
> 2. Was cloud computing really that pivotal? Hell, yes! Being able to prototype and get a handful of paying beta customers for a few thousand dollars changed everything. It totally short-circuited the VC "experts" who would say "no one will ever pay for that".
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
just wondering, what is an "ICE"?
The abbreviation I know is "in-circuit emulator", but wouldn't know if that's what they were referring to
incidentally, Burning Chrome's description of how Automatic Jack lost his arm, over Kyiv, was coincidentally prescient...