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A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

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Re: A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

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All credibility lost here:

> Cloud computing drastically reduced the capital and time required to start a startup. In the dot-com era a decade before, starting an internet startup required purchasing racks of servers and paying system administrators to keep them running, but suddenly fully configured, maintained, and secure serves could be had for a few cents per minute — pay as you go.

> Suddenly Japan’s software developers didn’t need to explain their idea to a VC and convince them that it would sell. They could just build things and get people to start using them and start paying for them. And that’s just want they did.

Your hosting cost, whether you're on bare metal or the most opinionated git-push-your-rails-app is a tiny line item on the P/L. Rarely have I seen an instance where the pay-off period for spending, say, a month of one engineer's time (for a nice round number, say, $10k) reducing the hosting expenses is less than a year (say, $1k/mo in hosting expenses).

In just about every case you're better off spending that developer-month building a feature or delivering a contract.

So yeah, maybe cloud computing saved you, at the outside, $10-20k server parts and a rack in a colo or whatever.

TLDR with or without The Cloud, 2022 or 1999, your server costs are tiny in comparison to what you spent on payroll getting to market.

Yeesh.

Re: A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

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I disagree with everything in this article post-2000. There were no "software gatekeepers" preventing Japanese software from flourishing on the PC or Mac. I'm not sure what the author is talking about there. So there's still the unexplained question of why Japanese software is still bad, in 2023. And I think the answer is the language barrier. Windows and Mac dominate the world's computer systems, and the development…

> The translations are lacking or no existent

I wonder if the Windows/C#/VS ecosystem translations are actually decent leading to Japanese developers not being forced to learn English? From what I have seen, Windows and Visual Studio have usable Japanese translations and documentation. I have seen code from Japanese devs that if the original writer had had better grasp of English, they probably would not have made the mistake by understanding the English and argument names.

This also means that outside of the MS ecosystem, it's a huge language barrier to overcome. It's probably not the main factor but just some foods for thoughts.

Re: A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

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I know the author likely has more experience in Japan, but I don't understand this lust some developers in Japan have being like American start-up workers. There is a lot of money in it as an individual, but start-ups have sometimes been great but have also been terrible as well. I know I'm kicking against the goads here on HN by pointing that out, but an objective look at it shows it to be true. Just remind people that wework and Theranos existed, or point out the most important IT companies today started out as start-ups perhaps but are nothing like them now, and now look very much like the old guard they "disrupted." Start-up'ing at least from the outside just looks like an initial condition, a spawn point, but the final situation that is recognized as success is a large company with many admins and an HR dept, or being bought by one. That looks a lot like the keiretsu but without the commitment to workers, so really the worst of both worlds but the best for MBAs and HR people.

I sympathize with the lack of respect software developers have there perhaps, that I understand.

Re: A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

#44

Although the article is about the entire software industry of Japan, and not about the efforts of one individual, I feel like it does a great disservice to not mention Yukihiro Matsumoto, aka Matz, the inventor of Ruby? Since 1995. How many startups have been launched with that platform as their basis?

This might be true but generally we don't count, say, Python- or semaphore- using startups as successes of the Dutch software industry, unless they are Dutch startups.

Re: A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

#45
post #20

I disagree with everything in this article post-2000. There were no "software gatekeepers" preventing Japanese software from flourishing on the PC or Mac. I'm not sure what the author is talking about there. So there's still the unexplained question of why Japanese software is still bad, in 2023. And I think the answer is the language barrier. Windows and Mac dominate the world's computer systems, and the development…

> The struggle of a Japanese developer to make an app is greater than that of a primarily English-speaking developer.

And yet somehow, Chinese developers manage just fine?

Re: A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

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post #20

I disagree with everything in this article post-2000. There were no "software gatekeepers" preventing Japanese software from flourishing on the PC or Mac. I'm not sure what the author is talking about there. So there's still the unexplained question of why Japanese software is still bad, in 2023. And I think the answer is the language barrier. Windows and Mac dominate the world's computer systems, and the development…

> So there's still the unexplained question of why Japanese software is still bad, in 2023.

I think its to do with their protectivism culture. My previous job was doing digital distribution of advertising content around the world. The Japan market was difficult to move because they could pay someone to ride a bike down the road to deliver an advert. And they activately avoided moving digital as it could put alot of people out of work.

When they did begin the move to digital in ~2018 they formed a comany called CMDeCo. https://ad-edi.com/cmdeco.html

It doesn't serve any real purpose at all, but what it did was move a bunch of tape jobs into digital jobs. But it made what should be a simple process into a complicated process.

Re: A mistake that killed Japan’s software industry?

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All credibility lost here: > Cloud computing drastically reduced the capital and time required to start a startup. In the dot-com era a decade before, starting an internet startup required purchasing racks of servers and paying system administrators to keep them running, but suddenly fully configured, maintained, and secure serves could be had for a few cents per minute — pay as you go. > Suddenly Japan’s software de…

The one thing I might add (don't know for sure, just guessing) is the cost of things might look different in Japan vs. here in the US. May be the cloud made a serious differential in the upfront cost as hardware is more expensive there, I don't know.
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