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‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by nl »

naikrovek wrote: post #346
swaggyBoatswain wrote: post #326

This reminds me of a time when I went to the grand canyon with some buddies. We stayed there for a few days. Then made the drive back to the airport to fly home Along the way to the airport some asshat setup traps along the highway. These were boulders the size of soccer balls scattered along the highway. We don't see these coming as there's a car in front of us Next thing you know that car in front is veering out of…

things like this convince me that humanity is doomed. A) your car was tailgating if you couldn't see those stones soon enough to stop before hitting one. B) the asshat who placed those stones will do things like this the rest of their life, and/or will encourage others to do so. that kind of thinking doesn't get corrected, that kind of thinking learns how not to get caught.

> A) your car was tailgating if you couldn't see those stones soon enough to stop before hitting one.

That's not the case. At any distance you can't see the road in front of the car in front of you (assuming equal height cars).

As the OP noted "One of those boulders that hit his tires flies off towards us, but luckily we veer and it misses." - this could happen no matter how far away you are.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by gghffguhvc »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #350
gghffguhvc wrote: post #347

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I always just count the seconds. When I was a kid in NZ we had a great public service campaign by an Australian racing legend, who told us "Arnly a fewel braiks the tew second rewel"

I guess my point is the safe driving distance is based on something that can’t stop in 0 feet. If something falls off a truck I’m behind I’m not going to come to a complete stop.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by rm445 »

lairv wrote: post #336

Reading the blog and the comment section as a european, I realise how Europe feels nowhere near as dangerous as natural parks in the US, less extreme weather conditions, mostly no dangerous wildlife and less environment diversity (mostly moutains, no desert) I've done some hiking and camping in the Alps, and while some surprise thunder had me stop for 30 minutes, there never was sudden storms or weather change which…

Yeah, I remember reading a long-form story about the 'Death Valley Germans' from this site, and it was so sad - a family with young kids, that just hadn't comprehended how far they could be from help when they got into trouble in the USA. That heading towards the local military base might not help when everything is so huge that all you'll see is miles of fence.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by broguinn »

petsfed wrote: post #333
wcarron wrote: post #261

I would like to say that I'm generally a pretty experienced outdoorsman. I camp, hike, backpack, snowshoe, boulder,sport climb, used to snowboard extensively and do whitewater rafting. I've summitted Mt. Washington, NH in late October, done plenty of hikes from Death Valley and the Mojave to Sequoia NP, to the bright angel trail, etc. Enough to say I've got some experience, and done my fair share of risky stuff. Most…

>Sadly, these are mostly types of common sense. The lack thereof is the real issue, not ones experience level. I've spent a lot of time teaching rock climbing, and just about every aspect thereof. Something I saw again and again is that what I understood to be "common sense" was simply that which I had forgotten learning. Autobelay accidents are a really good illustration of this: the most important safety check is t…

I've heard this referred to as the "safety bell curve" - when you're new to a sport or dangerous activity, you don't know what you're doing and are at elevated risk. The same is true for people who have been doing that same activity for 10+ years: they stop actively thinking about their safety, and fall victim to human fallibility.

I don't know if there's one perfect solution for this phenomenon. Checklists and social reinforcement are the best I've found within the climbing community.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by CamperBob2 »

gghffguhvc wrote: post #347
naikrovek wrote: post #346

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things like this convince me that humanity is doomed. A) your car was tailgating if you couldn't see those stones soon enough to stop before hitting one. B) the asshat who placed those stones will do things like this the rest of their life, and/or will encourage others to do so. that kind of thinking doesn't get corrected, that kind of thinking learns how not to get caught.

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Stopping distance at 65mph -> 525 feet

Probably want to get those brakes checked. Stopping distance from 65 MPH should be no more than about 150 feet. Reaction time at 100 feet/second will probably be another 100-150 feet.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by gghffguhvc »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #355
gghffguhvc wrote: post #347

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Stopping distance at 65mph -> 525 feet Probably want to get those brakes checked. Stopping distance from 65 MPH should be no more than about 150 feet. Reaction time at 100 feet/second will probably be another 100-150 feet.

Ugh. Google preview result for “stopping distance at 65mph” is for some obscure vehicle.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by sjf »

cat_plus_plus wrote: post #290

Any optional activity has some risks and activities that are most fulfilling and exciting tend to have the most risk. Taking maximum precautions also tends to take away from fun, like flying commercial with an experienced pilot vs hang gliding. For me the takeaway is simply to weigh pros and cons of different options and if someone doesn't make it, it was still their choice. I once decided to climb Half Dome cables d…

> had it not worked out, well I would not be around to regret it

The consequences would have been borne by your spouse, family, friends, the rangers who came to retrieve your body. This is such a young male take on dangerous activities.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by [deleted] »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #355
gghffguhvc wrote: post #347

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Stopping distance at 65mph -> 525 feet Probably want to get those brakes checked. Stopping distance from 65 MPH should be no more than about 150 feet. Reaction time at 100 feet/second will probably be another 100-150 feet.

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Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by alar44 »

ygjb wrote: post #349
alar44 wrote: post #267

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That's just ridiculous. Most public beaches are perfectly safe.

That's a lie that people tell themselves. It is fairly safe at most public beaches if: * you follow the posted signs for rules (e.g. where it's safe to dive, staying in marked areas), flags for current conditions * pay attention to weather conditions * know (roughly) when and how much of a change the tide will bring Unfortunately, a significant number of people don't follow the rules, or underestimate the risk. There…

No, it’s true. Death by drowning in a riptide is a 100 people a year in the US. That’s almost literally nothing.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Post by dragonwriter »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #355
gghffguhvc wrote: post #347

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Stopping distance at 65mph -> 525 feet Probably want to get those brakes checked. Stopping distance from 65 MPH should be no more than about 150 feet. Reaction time at 100 feet/second will probably be another 100-150 feet.

The non-metric rule of thumb [0] gives 490ft for 65mph; same ballpark. This incorporates reaction and actual braking, not just the latter.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braking_distance

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