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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by warmwaffles »

mcast wrote: post #49
voakbasda wrote: post #39

Too little too late. They have burned good faith, and this move stinks of more manipulation. As others suggested, this probably aims to thwart legislative action, and they will make everything available at an inaccessibly exorbitant price point and inexcusable lead times. Seriously, Deere has been a market leader in alienating customers for years. There is no possibility that this is being done for the benefit of the…

But who would replace them?

Case IH is one that I have seen starting to become more popular and farmers selling their JDs and replacing them with Case tractors. Case has good service and you can purchase most mechanical parts to replace existing broken parts without having to go through a service technician if you don't want to.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by ncphil »

danuker wrote: post #117
dggma wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right to repair is one of those things that shouldn’t be controversial but somehow is.

It's not controversial. Everyone knows the bill NY passed was a joke, from the voters to the legislature to the lobbyists.

I think Louis Rossmann said they'd worked on that bill for over 7 years, desperately trying to keep it from being compromised into oblivion. Then, on the eve of passage, the legislature amended away everything that mattered in it by adding an exception big enough to drive a... John Deere tractor through, and the governor (who was part of the process) quickly signed it into law. https://youtu.be/k9kXnm9uW5k . Keywords from the video: "Nicholas Cage Lord of War Supply Chain", "malicious compliance".

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by marcus0x62 »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #170
staringback wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> pass a law that says if you "tamper" with the device, all warranties expressed or implied are null and void This is a terrible idea. There is a very good reason "warranty void if removed" stickers are unenforceable in the US due to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

"Well... we're waiting!" What's the very good reason? Because it's certainly not apparent to me.

The very good reason is that, as the parent commenter wrote, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty act makes it illegal for manufacturers to deny warranty service because of third-party modifications or repairs, unless they can demonstrate the third-party modification/repair caused a defect in the original product.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

mherdeg wrote: post #147
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my analysis of what's going to happen if this goes through. First, quote from the MOU [1]: > AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from introducing, promoting, or supporting federal or state "Right to Repair" legislation that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU. In the event any state or federal legislation or regul…

I think what you're saying is there's a market for (1) go and do farm work for a few years, doing anything anybody needs for a few medium sized operations and talking to everybody (2) pick one product and advertise that you're building a competitor, emphasize that it's maintainable in the field and made from commodity parts (3) struggle to actually launch or sell it because manufacturing physical stuff is incredibly…

Alternatively Deere will lobby to get the EPA or some other bureaucracy to add an Oxford comma somewhere there wasn't one before necessitating expensive major revision to everything you make and you will be bankrupt long before the courts rule that no they didn't really have the authority to make that rule change.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by LgWoodenBadger »

Lutger wrote: post #118
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my analysis of what's going to happen if this goes through. First, quote from the MOU [1]: > AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from introducing, promoting, or supporting federal or state "Right to Repair" legislation that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU. In the event any state or federal legislation or regul…

I only hope a very aggressive competitor emerges that disrupts Deere out of existence. Sometimes I wonder why groups such as farmers dont band together to form a collective which can protect them against such predatory companies.

JD makes it incredibly easy to finance equipment, which I doubt a competitor could do.

It’s not like there’s a lack of competition anyway.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by wstuartcl »

Maybe the solution is to add anti-right to repair as a major indicative element to the monopoly legislations (ie if indicated it reduces the hurdle of the other elements that must be proven dramatically). Forcing repair lock in should be indicative of monopoly behavior.

Something needs to change where the perceived "cost" of building out repair lock in revenue is much higher than it currently is.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

Lutger wrote: post #118
boltzmann-brain wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's my analysis of what's going to happen if this goes through. First, quote from the MOU [1]: > AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from introducing, promoting, or supporting federal or state "Right to Repair" legislation that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU. In the event any state or federal legislation or regul…

I only hope a very aggressive competitor emerges that disrupts Deere out of existence. Sometimes I wonder why groups such as farmers dont band together to form a collective which can protect them against such predatory companies.

Deere already has plenty of competitors. CNH taken as a whole is approximately the same size if you look at the global market. Farmers are not prisoners of Deere. They can just buy another brand.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by dokem »

p0pcult wrote: post #160
college_physics wrote: post #120

Imagine its 1880 and the news of the day is that farmers are allowed to shoe their horses on their own, with horseshoes that they can procure themselves.

Imagine it is 2080 and the news of the day is that farmers will be allowed to buy "BioSerum" that extends the expiration date of their genetically engineered HyperHorse by one month.

Imagine it is 3080 and farmers are now allowed tax free access to all of the sunlight that falls on their land.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by neycoda »

Deere's forgotten the point of their business: to provide farmers with what they need to do their jobs.

When you make the company about maximizing profit, you interfere with the purpose of your business. You now get in the way of your customers getting what they need and want. This has been proven by Deere, getting in the way of farmers fixing their equipment.

Deere could have instead opened their business more to repair, maximizing trust and reliability with consumers. Truly maximizing their gain in the market. Instead of making themselves the most desirable business in the market, they tried to trap people into inefficient overly-expensive time-wasting processes for the short-term gain of some shareholders and some greedy shallow executives.

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