" allow farmers to repair their own equipment" - What a terrible state of affairs if this is an exception rather than the norm. :(
ahhhh, that is disingenuous. While I 100 % agree with right to repair, the world allow is not correct in this context.
Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
#112I'm not a farmer but harvest time can be pretty intense. You might only have a narrow window to get certain crops in where the crops are ready and the weather has been right and your onward destination can accept them physically and contractually. So have all the other farms. And that crop represents your yearly income. So you have all this demand in this time window and you have equipment sitting there cause compute…
Harvest season is 15-16 hour days for months, all hands on deck. The upside is that the pay is wildly better than any other time.
I’ve known a few farmhands and they claimed to not mind harvest season because of the pay.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's my analysis of what's going to happen if this goes through. First, quote from the MOU [1]: > AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from introducing, promoting, or supporting federal or state "Right to Repair" legislation that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU. In the event any state or federal legislation or regul…
Wow, this just heaps more disgrace on Deere. Despicable.
It's almost certainly what is going to happen. They're just buying time (a LOT OF time) in order to regroup and come back in force and once again take away our right to repair or own our things, this time in a new, more permanent method, which is now also protected legislatively.
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the smart money take. They ran an EV calculation on the cost of half heartedly allowing self repair (but in a sneaky way in which surely favors them) with a reduced probability of legislation vs the probability of legislation being imposed on them and figured they can milk more money out of this scenario. They will surely allow DIY in the most convoluted, inaccessible way humanly possible and try to keep this…
EV, enterprise value?
Expected value https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expected_value
Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the smart money take. They ran an EV calculation on the cost of half heartedly allowing self repair (but in a sneaky way in which surely favors them) with a reduced probability of legislation vs the probability of legislation being imposed on them and figured they can milk more money out of this scenario. They will surely allow DIY in the most convoluted, inaccessible way humanly possible and try to keep this…
EV, enterprise value?
Expected Value as in poker lingo, but I first read it as electric vehicle myself.
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#116Deere’s position on right to repair is heartbreaking to me. I paid for books (and beer) in college as a truck driver and mechanic for a custom harvest operation. We ran Deere 6602 combines from the 1970s, in the early 2000s. Deere’s tagline was “nothing runs like a Deere” but in my experience it was more like “nothing can be made to run like a Deere”. We spent a lot of time on maintenance but very little on repairs.…
The right to repair is one of those things that shouldn’t be controversial but somehow is.
Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
#117Deere’s position on right to repair is heartbreaking to me. I paid for books (and beer) in college as a truck driver and mechanic for a custom harvest operation. We ran Deere 6602 combines from the 1970s, in the early 2000s. Deere’s tagline was “nothing runs like a Deere” but in my experience it was more like “nothing can be made to run like a Deere”. We spent a lot of time on maintenance but very little on repairs.…
The right to repair is one of those things that shouldn’t be controversial but somehow is.
It's not controversial. Everyone knows the bill NY passed was a joke, from the voters to the legislature to the lobbyists.
Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment
#118Deere’s position on right to repair is heartbreaking to me. I paid for books (and beer) in college as a truck driver and mechanic for a custom harvest operation. We ran Deere 6602 combines from the 1970s, in the early 2000s. Deere’s tagline was “nothing runs like a Deere” but in my experience it was more like “nothing can be made to run like a Deere”. We spent a lot of time on maintenance but very little on repairs.…
Here's my analysis of what's going to happen if this goes through. First, quote from the MOU [1]: > AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from introducing, promoting, or supporting federal or state "Right to Repair" legislation that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU. In the event any state or federal legislation or regul…
I only hope a very aggressive competitor emerges that disrupts Deere out of existence. Sometimes I wonder why groups such as farmers dont band together to form a collective which can protect them against such predatory companies.
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#119I cant read TFA but i think if John Deere wants to maintain control over the way machines are repaired they should simply stop selling them as retail and move to a "machine as a service" model. Where they create a network of rental hubs. I think a lot of farming machinery has moved this way already where you dont pay to own a machine that you may only need a limited number of days/year.
Then they’re going to advertise rental prices for off-season, when nobody actually needs the machines. During the harvest week The Market will demand that rent quadruples. And of course you better pay a reservation in year’s advance, to avoid being told, “I’m sorry sir, we’re out of capacity today, all machines nearby are busy. We can maybe get you one from across the continent for 10 times the price, be ready here i…
I think this is how it works already with harvesters, where the demand is only really during a month of the year.
I don't know the details how it works, but I am assuming there is a way they can work it out where everyone is reasonably happy. Because it is in the interest of the rental service to be predictable.
And there is a huge benefit for the farmer to not have to own and store something that is probably the most expensive machine they have. And also not have to worry about it breaking down at the most critical moment.
But that comes at a steep hourly price i assume.
Market economy is not always a bad thing.
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#120Imagine its 1880 and the news of the day is that farmers are allowed to shoe their horses on their own, with horseshoes that they can procure themselves.