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The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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And "Hawaii" as a modifier to food generally means with pineapple, appropriate or not. Though, that makes me wonder what ingredient the other 48 states would add. Suggestions welcome.

> And "Hawaii" as a modifier to food generally means with pineapple I associate it more with meaning "with spam".

That's a version of the Hawaiian Pizza that might not be a subject of debate.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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not at all. California burrito just means with french fries, and that's one of the most common uses.

That's a San Diego Burrito. A San Franicsco (Mission) burrito, for example, does not have french fries but has Avocado/guacamole.

But no place in the mission calls them California burritos. It’s just a burrito. Vs I have had California burritos in San Francisco that are called that because of the French fries.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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And "Hawaii" as a modifier to food generally means with pineapple, appropriate or not. Though, that makes me wonder what ingredient the other 48 states would add. Suggestions welcome.

> And "Hawaii" as a modifier to food generally means with pineapple I associate it more with meaning "with spam".

What's interesting to me is that there seem to be a number of "Hawaii" dishes (involving pineapple) that all seem to date back to roughly the same timeframe (1950s) but seem to have very different origin stories.

For example, "Toast Hawaii" appeared in Germany in 1955, consisting of a slice of toasted white bread, one or two slices of cooked ham, a pineapple ring, a slice of processed cheese and a cocktail cherry, baked in an oven. Interestingly, I've read that that dish may be derived from an American "grilled spamwich" (but spam was not availble in Germany at the time). Likewise, "Steak Hawaii" (as well as "Schnitzel Hawaii") involves baking with pineapple rings and cheese.

I'm guessing someone somewhere associated cheese and pineapple with Hawaii in the 1950s as part of the general obsession with Hawaiian-inspired culture (e.g. tiki torches, fake lei garlands, ukuleles and luau-themed garden parties) and it caught on as an "exotic" twist on home cooking internationally (despite Hawaii and pineapples otherwise having no clear relation).

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Interesting... until now I thought it was invented in Germany - because of its popularity there and because of being closely related to Hawaiian Toast ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toast_Hawaii ), which was invented there.

All the references to that Canadian guy being the inventor are to Anglosphere newspaper articles. Given that the German TV chef introduced Toast Hawaii considerably earlier (and TV cooks are a lot more verifiable than single restaurants) I still bet on that origin.

There was a time period in the 1950s where Americans became obsessed with Hawaii vacations (likely due to the affordability of air travel) and companies started using Hawaii themes in all kinds of branding. I wouldn't be surprised if Toast Hawaii was spillover from that (as vacationing in Hawaii was much less affordable to Germans and thus most exposure to it was second-hand from US media portrayals). I'd also not be surprised if the association with pineapple and cheese somehow made it back to the US (possibly by proxy, e.g. via European immigrants to North America) only to be "invented" by some Canadian guy.

Given that a lot of origin stories tend to be created after the fact (e.g. infamously the board game Monopoly's origin story is largely fabricated as it was obviously based on an existing game already widely referred to as "the monopoly game" which in turn was originally based on "The Landlord's Game") I'm cautious about direct attributions without clear evidence.

It's entirely possible that "baked pineapple and cheese" already existed as a niche topping at the time the first restaurant offically added it to their menu. Interestingly Toast Hawaii may have been inspired by the American "grilled spamwich", which also included pineapple and (shredded) cheese but instead of cooked ham used spam, which wasn't available in Germany at the time.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Food with placenames often are misleading and not from the placename that makes up the dish: french fries, hamburger, german chocolate cake, danish, wiener, etc. add california roll to that list. [and how could I forget Hawaiian pizza? as noted in sibling comment] Also, the headline is wrong, it was not a Canadian chef but rather a Japanese chef living in Canada.

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Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Pretty confident the article is wrong. The California roll was created in the 70s by Ichiro Mashita, who worked at a sushi restaurant in Los Angeles called The Tokyo Kaikan.

The article discusses that Ichiro Mashita is one of the other people who claim to be the creator of the California roll.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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"California" as a modifier to food generally means "with avocado" If you get a "California burger" it will have avocado on it

And "Hawaii" as a modifier to food generally means with pineapple, appropriate or not. Though, that makes me wonder what ingredient the other 48 states would add. Suggestions welcome.

And adding "French" as a modifier to food generally means with egg yolks.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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post #5

"California" as a modifier to food generally means "with avocado" If you get a "California burger" it will have avocado on it

And "Hawaii" as a modifier to food generally means with pineapple, appropriate or not. Though, that makes me wonder what ingredient the other 48 states would add. Suggestions welcome.

For a slightly more international version: Dutch should then mean that it is anything between two slices of bread with cheese in there somewhere.

Re: The California roll was invented by a Japanese-Canadian chef (2020)

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Seems the original Tojo recipe in the article use real crab meat. Funnily, I am part of the (few?) people that actually prefer imitation crab meat to real crab meat. If only because cracking open crab shells is too troublesome.

This made me chortle a little. You know you can pay other people to do that. Crab meat it also available in a can. Snails too, that always tickles me. When I eat something someone else has made and I know it came predominantly from cans and jars I'll take something like: "Did you make this?! ... Wow! You sure know how to open a can!".

I would point you to some nearby nice restaurants and chuck you out. See who has the last laugh on that one ;)
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