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Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by AuthorizedCust »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #5
torstenvl wrote: post #3

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archive.(today|ph|is) [edit: appears to be down for some people], no clue what's going on https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/archive.ph.html The AMP page works if you can't reach it via archive: https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/deere-to-allow-farmers-to-r...

Loads for me from multiple endpoints. Are you using Cloudflare DNS? If so, the site in question blocks DNS queries from CF. https://hn.algolia.com/?q=cloudflare+archive.is

Websites can’t see a PC’s DNS configuration, so it can’t know what DNS resolvers a client is using except through some inference?

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by kwhitefoot »

robin_reala wrote: post #55
ddulaney wrote: post #52

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Hard to imagine this working, even in a perfect world. Set aside regulatory capture and corruption and politicking and pretend that everybody does a genuine best-effort attempt to be honest. It's extremely hard to know ahead of time which products will ultimately be reliable and which will be flaky. Most flaky components weren't designed with that in mind -- there are some exceptions, but maintenance headaches are no…

It’s already the case that you have to do this for certain groups of products in France under the AGEC laws. Take for example this dishwasher: https://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/p/diskad-lave-vaisselle-encastrab... . It has an “indice de répairabilité” of 7.4, generated from a bunch of different factors such as ease of disassembly, availability of spare parts and documentation, and the ability to factory-reset it. The data s…

I don't know what, if any, regulations are involved but here in Norway several of the big electrical retailers have started publishing the expected lifetime of products together with statement of how long spares will be available.

For example the Ankarsrum food mixer (successor to the classic Electrolux Assistent) entry at Elkjop.no states that the expected lifetime is 30 years and that spares will be available for 12 years.

https://www.elkjop.no/product/hjem-rengjoring-og-kjokkenutst...

The French idea looks good. IKEA don't provide that information here :-(

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by kwhitefoot »

mikrotikker wrote: post #103
lotsofpulp wrote: post #92

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> MBAs making supply chains inherently fragile and over who valued BS things like JIT are just reflecting what is most rewarded in the corpo culture: Also reflected in what is most rewarded by consumers: lower prices. No business was ever going to thrive selling US manufactured goods at a significant price premium compared to non US manufactured goods.

I dunno I'm currently trying to boycott Chinese made goods, regardless the cost. I'm in the position to be able to do that but so are many others. It's like they're targeting the lowest common denominator. It's a self fulfilling prophecy right? If the manufacturing was internal to the US say, theres more jobs hence better economy hence people are able too afford those locally prepared goods. That probably requires a…

> trying to boycott Chinese made goods, regardless the cost. I'm in the position to be able to do that

Really? Did you post your comment by carrier pigeon?

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by themitigating »

boltzmann-brain wrote: post #75
mulmen wrote: post #13

Deere’s position on right to repair is heartbreaking to me. I paid for books (and beer) in college as a truck driver and mechanic for a custom harvest operation. We ran Deere 6602 combines from the 1970s, in the early 2000s. Deere’s tagline was “nothing runs like a Deere” but in my experience it was more like “nothing can be made to run like a Deere”. We spent a lot of time on maintenance but very little on repairs.…

Here's my analysis of what's going to happen if this goes through. First, quote from the MOU [1]: > AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from introducing, promoting, or supporting federal or state "Right to Repair" legislation that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU. In the event any state or federal legislation or regul…

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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by causi »

rkangel wrote: post #101
causi wrote: post #25

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Hell If I had my way I'd add a "right to root" in the Constitution itself. You should have control over your hardware, period.

While I philosophically agree, I struggle to reconcile it with some other practicalities. I (mostly) design and build radio systems, and as the manufacturer it is our job to ensure that it is a well behaved radio system - transmits in the frequency bands it's meant to, at the power it's meant to, without leaking and interfering with other things. For a consumer product, where much of the radio implementation is in so…

But what if someone comes up with a mod that makes your wifi better by breaking transmit power rules (at the expense of others). Lots of people might use it, and then there are resulting widespread interference problems.

This already exists in multiple forms. It's incredibly easy to import adapters and antennas that give you an order of magnitude more power than you're legally allowed to use. I used one of those setups in high school to run uTorrent over the AP of the McDonald's half a mile away.

Regular folks don't care enough to break the rules.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

alvah wrote: post #54
JTBooth wrote: post #51

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What's Australian for the most privileged account on a computer? Is there a verb for when you get access to it?

It’s the same verb but it raises a smile every single time. Yes I am a child in an adult’s body. Slightly OT, they pronounce router “rowter” over here, presumably to avoid the same issue.

A router pronounced 'rowter' is surely a wood working tool.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by kwhitefoot »

rkangel wrote: post #101
causi wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell If I had my way I'd add a "right to root" in the Constitution itself. You should have control over your hardware, period.

While I philosophically agree, I struggle to reconcile it with some other practicalities. I (mostly) design and build radio systems, and as the manufacturer it is our job to ensure that it is a well behaved radio system - transmits in the frequency bands it's meant to, at the power it's meant to, without leaking and interfering with other things. For a consumer product, where much of the radio implementation is in so…

It wasn't a big problem in the days before manufacturers had the technical capability to prevent tinkering so why would you expect it to be a big problem now?

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by LatteLazy »

On the one hand, I like right to repair.

On the other, Farmers are a terrible group to start with. They've actively resisted it in the past and are very unlikely to have or be willing to gain the skills needed and they are ultimately running businesses and should behave accordingly.

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