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Re: Social Quitting

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I wouldn't trust Cory Doctorow's anecdotal evidence on Twitter usage. His Like/View ratio is very low, and overall engagement for someone with 486k followers is some of the worst I've seen. Part of the issue is he spams his followers with retweets constantly, all day. People may not know they can turn off retweets for someone. They may just mute them, and continue to follow. It's very much like Cory to write a long a…

Elon's latest tweet has a like to view ratio of 180k to 20.2m, or 0.9.

Re: Social Quitting

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The great resignation”, “quiet quitting” and now “social quitting” are all instances of the media turning tiny observed trends or even normal operations in to some great names social shift when the reality is not much has changed.

Yet. The builders of the next generation of social tools are doubtless already busy. I’d venture to say we’re looking for the wrong thing, if we’re expecting the Facebook-killer to be another giant platform.

It won’t be HN user freedom social. It’ll be super tiktok. The platform of the year changes but they only get more invasive and more addictive.

Re: Social Quitting

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I wouldn't trust Cory Doctorow's anecdotal evidence on Twitter usage. His Like/View ratio is very low, and overall engagement for someone with 486k followers is some of the worst I've seen. Part of the issue is he spams his followers with retweets constantly, all day. People may not know they can turn off retweets for someone. They may just mute them, and continue to follow. It's very much like Cory to write a long a…

Elon's latest tweet has a like to view ratio of 180k to 20.2m, or 0.9.

You picked the most extreme example of any account. I'd bet Elon gets a lot of hate-follows. They won't like his tweets. You can see many real people replying to his tweets, so you can tell he gets plenty of engagement.

For others without much engagement (retweets/replies), like Cory, all we have to go off of is likes, views, followers. I don't disagree that we can come up with a more accurate formula.

Also, I gave percentages, so it's more like 0.9.

Re: Social Quitting

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post #44

I wouldn't trust Cory Doctorow's anecdotal evidence on Twitter usage. His Like/View ratio is very low, and overall engagement for someone with 486k followers is some of the worst I've seen. Part of the issue is he spams his followers with retweets constantly, all day. People may not know they can turn off retweets for someone. They may just mute them, and continue to follow. It's very much like Cory to write a long a…

Elon's latest tweet has a like to view ratio of 180k to 20.2m, or 0.9.

That's 0.9. It's a percentage. 0.9 is not great, not terrible.

Re: Social Quitting

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I wouldn't trust Cory Doctorow's anecdotal evidence on Twitter usage. His Like/View ratio is very low, and overall engagement for someone with 486k followers is some of the worst I've seen. Part of the issue is he spams his followers with retweets constantly, all day. People may not know they can turn off retweets for someone. They may just mute them, and continue to follow. It's very much like Cory to write a long a…

I think your numbers are off by 100x or missing a %.

23 / 8,722 = .0026 or 0.26%

And by a desired ratio of 1, do you mean 1%?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is still a thriving host of non-technical communities and classifieds. The features and experience across both of those use cases are constantly being degraded and are user-hostile, but FB is still winning. Something in the vein of Discord will eventually replace FB groups, I think. Classified is probably the service best protected by the most of FB’s network effect.

It's unreal to me how poor Facebook's actual product is. I regularly get white screens of death on the site, viewing a photo from the feed dumps the feed in the background forcing you to rescroll the whole page to get back where you were, account pages are little more than naked HTML... It's so shitty! Don't start me on how poor the business experience is either. Get locked out of an account or get flagged in error?…

>It's unreal to me how poor Facebook's actual product is. I regularly get white screens of death on the site,...

I've wondered for a really long time how so many non-technical people could stand using Facebook; it always confused the hell out of me and was just awful to use.

Re: Social Quitting

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I wasn't aware of how Facebook won over MySpace by using a bot to allow you to use MySpace THROUGH Facebook so you didn't really lose anything when you opened a Facebook account and started using it. Now why couldn't there be a service that was simply a super-bot, it would automatically open an account for me on all social media platforms. It would then post all my entries to all other platforms, relay the responses…

And before, many people were on ICQ, MSN, AOL, etc. Then before that you got BBSes, CompuServe, Minitel, etc. And before that you probably got Ham radio.

I never understood the attraction of Ham radio, outside the technical aspect (building fancy radio equipment) if you're into electronics, and I'm old enough that Ham was still a thing when I was growing up and I had one friend that was really into it. Unlike all the online services where there were separate channels for different interests, even back in the BBS/Compu$erve days, ham radio had no such thing, it was just random people. You might as well just go hang out at a bar and talk to random people there; the quality of conversation won't be any different.

Re: Social Quitting

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon's latest tweet has a like to view ratio of 180k to 20.2m, or 0.9.

You picked the most extreme example of any account. I'd bet Elon gets a lot of hate-follows. They won't like his tweets. You can see many real people replying to his tweets, so you can tell he gets plenty of engagement. For others without much engagement (retweets/replies), like Cory, all we have to go off of is likes, views, followers. I don't disagree that we can come up with a more accurate formula. Also, I gave p…

I'm pretty sure you could pick literally any account and get similar numbers. The point is that Cory isn't an outlier or unpopular or anything. All twitter users are like this.

Re: Social Quitting

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It seems to me that the deaths of Twitter and Facebook are being greatly exaggerated (by this article, and by the vibes generally). A decrease in users is not the same thing as a mass exodus. And I'm frankly skeptical of any claims that Twitter is facing an existential decrease in users.

“The great resignation”, “quiet quitting” and now “social quitting” are all instances of the media turning tiny observed trends or even normal operations in to some great names social shift when the reality is not much has changed.

Similar to when a couple people move out of San Francisco and they call it an "exodus" and there are handfuls of articles making up these stupid claims based on a couple interviews of people moving to Austin or Portland or, in more fringe cases, Colorado.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unreal to me how poor Facebook's actual product is. I regularly get white screens of death on the site, viewing a photo from the feed dumps the feed in the background forcing you to rescroll the whole page to get back where you were, account pages are little more than naked HTML... It's so shitty! Don't start me on how poor the business experience is either. Get locked out of an account or get flagged in error?…

>It's unreal to me how poor Facebook's actual product is. I regularly get white screens of death on the site,... I've wondered for a really long time how so many non-technical people could stand using Facebook; it always confused the hell out of me and was just awful to use.

I think non-technical people are ok with the abuse because everything on their computer abuses them. And if something goes awry, they figure it's their own fault for using their trackball mouse incorrectly [0].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trackball

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