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Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by 29athrowaway »

rjzzleep wrote: post #26
29athrowaway wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another MBA'ed company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4

Short term profit at the expense of everything else. At some point there will be a reckoning on all the damage this cult has done to society, but I don't expect it to happen any time soon.

The damage is already done.

MBAs had no long-term vision, so in each company they infested, they made poor strategic decisions such as moving manufacturing overseas, which then forced other companies to move their manufacturing overseas.

The countries they chose have zero respect for intellectual property. So now what's left are zombie companies milking their cash cows dry as international competitors arise and take their market share.

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Post by Animats »

messe wrote: post #16

They’re only trying to delay the inevitable regulation. Here’s hoping the EU forces them to get their shit together soon.

> They’re only trying to delay the inevitable regulation.

Yes. That's Deere's explicit goal. The American Farm Bureau Federation had to agree not to support right-to-repair legislation to get that concession from Deere.

Signed on a Sunday. Wonder why. Some legislative deadline approaching?

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Post by HWR_14 »

midoridensha wrote: post #28
donmcronald wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. My wishlist: - Repair manuals. - Reasonably priced replacement parts. - Give the owner a key to sign / certify any parts they want. - Give the owner the ability to disable OTA updates. - Give the government a key to sign / certify parts. - Give the government the ability to review and delay OTA updates. I don't want some mega corp in a foreign nation holding the means of food production hostage via parts serial…

>I don't want some mega corp in a foreign nation holding the means of food production hostage via parts serialization and DRM. Governments should be acting more in their own nations' self-interest, and simply forbidding any such things from foreign vendors.

Or governments should act more in their citizens interest, and simply forbid any such things local or foreign.

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Post by listenallyall »

NetOpWibby wrote: post #34
andrewstuart wrote: post #27

Amazing that there are businesses that do so well financially they can abuse their customers to the point of hatred, yet remain in business.

That's what happens when you're a monopoly.

John Deere is a monopoly?

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Post by [deleted] »

userbinator wrote: post #20

Seeing "to allow" and "their own" being used in that way in the title is a disturbingly dystopian sign of the times. I don't think things like this should ever need to be explicitly allowed, in much the same way as one does not need permission for many other things which are naturally assumed to be so. For contrast: "Government to allow people to use their own brains."

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Post by Foobar8568 »

donmcronald wrote: post #19
user3939382 wrote: post #11

I’ll believe it when I see it. So far every right to repair compliance on their side has been met with bad faith circumventions. Like making tools available in theory but not actually.

Yeah. My wishlist: - Repair manuals. - Reasonably priced replacement parts. - Give the owner a key to sign / certify any parts they want. - Give the owner the ability to disable OTA updates. - Give the government a key to sign / certify parts. - Give the government the ability to review and delay OTA updates. I don't want some mega corp in a foreign nation holding the means of food production hostage via parts serial…

Fuck lenovo Europe for parts, nothing available for an X1 C6, so around 3-4y old. Had to buy on a customer website hoping for a genuine part. What was Lenovo answer to buy a replacement battery ? Send in your laptop to diagnostic a dead battery.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by voakbasda »

Too little too late. They have burned good faith, and this move stinks of more manipulation. As others suggested, this probably aims to thwart legislative action, and they will make everything available at an inaccessibly exorbitant price point and inexcusable lead times.

Seriously, Deere has been a market leader in alienating customers for years. There is no possibility that this is being done for the benefit of their customers. Mark my works, this move will ultimately be revealed as self-serving. Meanwhile, it should be met with nothing but skepticism by customers.

Re: Deere to allow farmers to repair their own equipment

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Post by vvanders »

Actual MOU from BBC's coverage[1]: https://www.fb.org/files/AFBF_John_Deere_MOU.pdf

What's interesting is this appears to be driven by Right to Repair legislation that's been making it's way through various states. There's an explicit ask that AFBF not support any Right to Repair legislation:

"AFBF agrees to encourage state Farm Bureau organizations to recognize the commitments made in this MOU and refrain from introducing, promoting, or supporting federal or state "Right to Repair" legislation that imposes obligations beyond the commitments in this MOU. In the event any state or federal legislation or regulation relating to issues covered by this MOU and/or "Right to Repair" is enacted, each of AFBF and Manufacturer reserve the right, upon fifteen (15) days written notice, to withdraw from this MOU."

[1] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64206913

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