How very magnanimous of them.
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#22Seeing "to allow" and "their own" being used in that way in the title is a disturbingly dystopian sign of the times. I don't think things like this should ever need to be explicitly allowed, in much the same way as one does not need permission for many other things which are naturally assumed to be so. For contrast: "Government to allow people to use their own brains."
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#23I’ll believe it when I see it. So far every right to repair compliance on their side has been met with bad faith circumventions. Like making tools available in theory but not actually.
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#24How very magnanimous of them.
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#25Seeing "to allow" and "their own" being used in that way in the title is a disturbingly dystopian sign of the times. I don't think things like this should ever need to be explicitly allowed, in much the same way as one does not need permission for many other things which are naturally assumed to be so. For contrast: "Government to allow people to use their own brains."
Hell If I had my way I'd add a "right to root" in the Constitution itself. You should have control over your hardware, period.
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#26Deere’s position on right to repair is heartbreaking to me. I paid for books (and beer) in college as a truck driver and mechanic for a custom harvest operation. We ran Deere 6602 combines from the 1970s, in the early 2000s. Deere’s tagline was “nothing runs like a Deere” but in my experience it was more like “nothing can be made to run like a Deere”. We spent a lot of time on maintenance but very little on repairs.…
Another MBA'ed company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4
Short term profit at the expense of everything else. At some point there will be a reckoning on all the damage this cult has done to society, but I don't expect it to happen any time soon.
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#27Amazing that there are businesses that do so well financially they can abuse their customers to the point of hatred, yet remain in business.
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#28I’ll believe it when I see it. So far every right to repair compliance on their side has been met with bad faith circumventions. Like making tools available in theory but not actually.
Yeah. My wishlist: - Repair manuals. - Reasonably priced replacement parts. - Give the owner a key to sign / certify any parts they want. - Give the owner the ability to disable OTA updates. - Give the government a key to sign / certify parts. - Give the government the ability to review and delay OTA updates. I don't want some mega corp in a foreign nation holding the means of food production hostage via parts serial…
>I don't want some mega corp in a foreign nation holding the means of food production hostage via parts serialization and DRM.
Governments should be acting more in their own nations' self-interest, and simply forbidding any such things from foreign vendors.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Another MBA'ed company. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VBqTViEx4
Short term profit at the expense of everything else. At some point there will be a reckoning on all the damage this cult has done to society, but I don't expect it to happen any time soon.
I sometimes wonder if companies should/could be forced to publish a “lifetime cost” of all of their products, much like we do energy ratings for appliances. Something that would show all of the expenses over the lifetime of the products, including estimated maintenance and lifespan before replacement so people have a better idea of the true cost of the purchase.
I am confident the reporting would likely be captured by the manufacturers anyway and there would be a lot of arbitrary inputs into the reports, but something to fight the short term profit taking you describe.
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#30Seeing "to allow" and "their own" being used in that way in the title is a disturbingly dystopian sign of the times. I don't think things like this should ever need to be explicitly allowed, in much the same way as one does not need permission for many other things which are naturally assumed to be so. For contrast: "Government to allow people to use their own brains."
Hell If I had my way I'd add a "right to root" in the Constitution itself. You should have control over your hardware, period.
You basically already have a Constitution-esque "right to root", as changing the software on hardware you own is not illegal. What we're actually dealing with is technical measures that can effectively prevent us from doing so. There are a few legal hooks that augment the natural landscape (DMCA, contract terms, etc), but remove those and the problem would remain.
So unfortunately, what we're really looking for is some positive government regulations that would make companies have to publish some of their documentation and source code. That's much harder to create and draft, although for a simple first stab I would look at requiring that source code be available to make a work eligible for copyright protection.