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A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Post by ModernMech »

rowtheway wrote: post #125
ModernMech wrote: post #102

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Yes, depending on what you say, absolutely. If I stood in my classroom and made blanket disparaging statements about cis men or Christians or white people, I guarantee students in those groups would go to the admin and complain. If what I said was bad enough, I’d likely be fired.

You wouldn’t get fired at Rutgers: https://torontosun.com/life/rutgers-professor-calls-white-pe... Or Drexel: https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/health/drexel-professor-white... Or Yale: https://news.yahoo.com/psychiatrist-delivered-lecture-yale-d... But say things that are embarrassing yet true of minority students at Georgetown, and you’ll be fired and disowned by the college in under 48 hours: https://news.yahoo.com/g…

To be clear when I wrote my post I had in mind classroom instruction. The first two links are about comments made outside of the classroom, by tenured professors nonetheless. Hard to fire them for almost anything, but it does happen from time to time. The Drexel professor was later placed on administrative leave and then resigned.

The Yale link was about a lecture given by someone not affiliated with the University.

> you’ll be fired and disowned by the college in under 48 hours:

Yes, much easier to do with adjuncts compared to tenured professors.

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Post by natosaichek »

ssth wrote: post #110
posterboy wrote: post #91

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I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that getting stabbed to death is "uncomfortable". I'd certainly not not "give a fuck" if it happened to me because I literally looked at somebody the wrong way.

I certainly do abhor any violence when it could be avoided when we respect each other's view and values. Especially if anyone resort to stab others because they feel offended. What I mean, you shoud consider to stop yourself before you do things that controversial. Or do you keep silence if other people do things that you find offensive? Some other may not keep silence and may resort violence, and it is not limited t…

We can avoid violence by _not responding violently_ to feeling offended. Being offended is not the same as being physically harmed. Those people who respond with violence to the non-violent acts of others should be censured. Their ideologies deserve ridicule and suppression to the extent that they condone such violence.

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Post by spicymaki »

woofyman wrote: post #111
bonbonbonj wrote: post #59

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What if the commenter is female, or disabled, or doesn't own property, or is subject to the many other axes of marginalization? It's not all about race and sexuality.

He specifically asked about a straight flags. Non property owners are discriminated against?

Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_flag

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Post by leeroyjenkins11 »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #131
wonderwonder wrote: post #55

This was the wrong decision. Liberal institutions in the west have begun to increasingly yield to the demands of extremist minority views and doing so only emboldens them. You are free to insult white people, Christianity, and non transexual heterosexual men in this country but everyone else is a protected class. Even speaking positively or respectfully discussing the protected classes in a vaguely defined wrong way…

> institutions act outraged over Florida's "don't say gay" bill Were you upset of the 'don't say gay bill'? It's an example, not just of a single school acting to restrict academic freedom and freedom of expression in general, but the actual government enforcing this on ALL schools. That should be enraging to anyone who cares about freedom. A elementary school teacher was fired not too long ago for reading 'A need a…

The bill in Florida was perfectly reasonable. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age- appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students according to state standards.

3rd grade classrooms are not places of intellectual freedom. They are places of indoctrination. A third grader does not have academic freedom, there is no countervailing point in the classroom. It is completely different than a university setting. According to the t xt of the bill, I can't think of any good reason for a teacher to want to violate the law unless they want to push their own agenda onto the children. And that should not happen in a public school.

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Post by pnf »

anthk wrote: post #130
pnf wrote: post #108

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Germany is also ~6% Muslim. But one could argue whether Germans are a significant part of "Europe". Belgium is ~5% but that's just the seat of the EU, not a real country. Spain is ~3%, which is "interesting" given the history of Moorish conquest of Iberia and the Treaty of Grenada and the Inquisition. 2-3% in Italy, but Catholics and Muslims have a long tradition of living together in harmony. Poland's % may be a res…

> which is "interesting" given the history of Moorish conquest of Iberia and the Treaty of Grenada and the Inquisition. Why? In Spain either you converted to Christianism 500 years ago or you got expelled. Most of Moors which came into Iberia where from modern Morocco origin and a few from Algeria. And a lot of them have "interesting" beliefs, such as drinking in private. Also, every Moroccan has satellite TV and for…

Precisely. It is interesting it is not more given the history and proximity to Morocco. It is interesting it is not less given the expulsions and forced conversions.

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Post by rowtheway »

kergonath wrote: post #63
toxik wrote: post #25

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> According to Islam According to a perverted, fundamentalist view of Islam. Islam is much more diverse than Iran and Saudi Arabia. The fact that they manage to impose their sectarian practices as standard Islam in much of the world is very problematic.

This optimistic view of the Islamic world is, sadly, inaccurate. For example, as of 2013, an overwhelming majority of Muslims wish to make Sharia the law of the land:

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2013/04/30/the-worlds-m...

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Post by teppn »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #136
afroisalreadyin wrote: post #58

If Muslims are not OK with their religion and its figures being talked about in ways that are not within the rules of their religion, they shouldn't bring it up, and we should act as if it doesn't exist. You think your prophet was righteous? I don't care, I can't talk about him anyway, so it won't be part of my world of ideas. This has been my position on this topic since I got scolded by a Muslim for not referring t…

If LGBTQ are not OK with their gender and the movement's figureheads being talked about in ways that are not within the rules of their safe spaces, they shouldn't be shoving it down everyone's throats constantly, and we should act as if they don't exist. You think being LGBTQ is important? I don't care, I can't talk about them anyway, so it won't be part of my world of ideas. This has been my position on this topic s…

This is unironically a very good point.

The intolerance that many trans-rights activists show to those who don't accept that a man with a 'female gender identity' is a woman is similar to the intolerance that many followers of Islam show to non-believers.

No-one on the gender critical side has been beheaded yet, but there is a surprisingly large "kill the terfs" movement that parallels the extremism of Islamists.

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Post by amrocha »

orf wrote: post #72
bonbonbonj wrote: post #36

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I think there's a reasonable argument to be made that being Islamophobic is actually a good thing overall, given the content of Islam as written in the Quran and Hadith, and the actions of Mohammed. If it were to be implemented in full in any of our Western societies today, it would result in a misogynistic, brutal, intolerant regime that infringes severely on what we understand as universal human rights. Just look a…

> If it were to be implemented in full in any of our Western societies today, it would result in a misogynistic, brutal, intolerant regime that infringes severely on what we understand as universal human rights. Similar to fundamental Christianity then?

Yes. That one sucks too. They both suck. It's not a zero sum game, religious beliefs are not a good basis for societal norm regardless of the name of the religion.

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Post by sgjohnson »

bonbonbonj wrote: post #42
sgjohnson wrote: post #31

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So we shouldn’t be showing swastikas or Hitler in a history class, for they might offend someone?

Or on anti-Nazi media like the Wolfenstein series of computer games. For Wolfenstein 3D at least, Germany made them replace all the swastikas with neutral imagery before the game could be released there.

> For Wolfenstein 3D at least

Not just Wolfenstein 3D, the same thing happened even with the Wolfenstein: The New Order and Wolfenstein: The New Colossus

But that law was retarded and they recently repealed it. It's now okay to depict fictional nazis and nazi iconography even in Germany.

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