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A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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It was one student complaining.

Imagine the harm a group of those fanatics can achieve if one student can make a whole University comply to his intolerant whims. Karl Popper famously said that an open and tolerant society must manage carefully the intolerant... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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Islam isn’t a country. It’s an ideology that can be practiced by anyone.

It's not even an ideology if you look at it that way but it is a state religion by design, that has various implementations depending on who's to benefit. It prescribes universal obligations which they have in common. Some other dogmas are subject to interpretation.

So the question needs to be cast in another light, sure. It's a hard problem that isn't solved by calling on an ideology.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thus apparently extends to gender or rather sexuality as well recently. I've been banned for asking why my sexuality - heterosexual, is excluded, actually not even asked why but if a flag representing my sexuality existed, since there were a bunch of flags that represented every possible spectrum, even asexuality. I am not at all racist, my best friend has dark skin, but I also can't help but notice that on social ne…

You’ve never had to fight for basic human rights as a white straight person.

There are places in the world where this is not true, particularly Zimbabwe and South Africa. By the western definition of "white," which includes Arabs and middle easterners, this is not true even in the most "tolerant" parts of the west.

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Not sure why it's a fireable offence since precautions were taken. Give a strike or whatever and debate it's relevance to the course of "art history".

I don't think the painting itself is significant, it could just be referenced. The context of why the painting is banned inside of Islam is relevant as previously there was a lot of idol worship and even nowadays figureheads like Jesus are now claimed to be God, stuff like "Jesus is Lord". But this moves more into theology than art history now.

Reminds me a bit of Kanye being banned on the new free speech platform Twitter and people saying it wasn't an actual Swastika, it was an UFO cult symbol, it being tied to the older peace symbol of Hinduism etc.

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The fact that people describing themselves as progressive are fighting to forbid blasphemy has got to be the worst “freedom is slavery” newspeak in the last decade. When did it become acceptable for one sect to dictate what we are allowed to talk about? They are the enthusiastic useful idiots for dark age theocrats, the exact translation of our despicable white nationalists and Christian supremacists.

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Is Islam at all compatible with secular values in the same country? In the end, you will have one of the two encompass the other. Either you have a secular country living by democratic, progressive law which allows people to be Muslims modulo this. Or you have a Muslim country living by Shariah law, but tolerating secular non-believers in it. First won't work because Muslims (in the traditional sense) won't tolerate…

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> Dr. López Prater’s situation was especially precarious. She is an adjunct, one of higher education’s underclass of teachers, working for little pay and receiving few of the workplace protections enjoyed by tenured faculty members. I hope this bit doesn’t get lost in the conversation. Tenure seems to be extremely hard to get, even for very smart people who (in my opinion) fully deserved it.

Absent a radical retrenchment of reactionary-style teaching institutions, I don't see how "getting tenure" is a viable strategy going forward. The institutions have radically shifted their construction to be administration/student-centered rather than professor-centered. It may be that tenure as an institution could not survive the massive growth of the university system. Like any guild, membership growth must be limited. Tenure is a kind of life membership that simply cannot be conferred willy-nilly. Modern university economics simply will not support it. The trend is to disempower labor. Meanwhile, existing tenures are precious resources inspiring perverse behavior. In some ways, the tenure system has badly back-fired for professors, hastening their proletarianization (like doctors in the hospital system). It hasn't helped that most professors have been complicit in their own disenfranchisement, refusing to fight for their non-ideologically-aligned cohort, supporting the administrators in their anti-professor actions on behalf of student-customers. The whole thing is a mess but tenure is done. We may as well lament the loss of the guilds at this point. The barn is open, the cow is gone.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was one student complaining.

Imagine the harm a group of those fanatics can achieve if one student can make a whole University comply to his intolerant whims. Karl Popper famously said that an open and tolerant society must manage carefully the intolerant... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

You realize there are 2 million Muslims living in America without any problem right? Take your bigotry elsewhere, HN is typically more elevated than that.
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