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A Lecturer Showed a Painting of the Prophet Muhammad. She Lost Her Job

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Post by crabkin »

qsort wrote: post #27
morby wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Islam isn’t a country. It’s an ideology that can be practiced by anyone.

Just one more reason why we shouldn't care. A person's freedom to practice Islam does not imply an obligation from me to give any remote fuck.

Nope no obligation, but just as we say for freedom of speech in some other context, like for instance, say you were to use a pejorative term to a person it may apply to, you may not have the "obligation to give any remote fuck" about how they feel about it, likewise that doesn't prevent you from getting punched in the face or being perceived by others as lacking tact/self-awareness.

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Post by bonbonbonj »

sgjohnson wrote: post #31
umarniz wrote: post #14

Edit as this is flagged by many people already: My opinion is all art and historical text should be discussed and talked about. Apparently an attempt to share the context is not very appreciated here. No horse in the race but I find it important to try to understand the perspective from all sides. Apparently its similar to showing a swastika or hail hitler. People have been punished for that as well: https://www.thef…

So we shouldn’t be showing swastikas or Hitler in a history class, for they might offend someone?

Or on anti-Nazi media like the Wolfenstein series of computer games. For Wolfenstein 3D at least, Germany made them replace all the swastikas with neutral imagery before the game could be released there.

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Post by esprehn »

lakomen wrote: post #16
thaumasiotes wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic. The standard response is that there can be no such thing as Westernphobia because the West is powerful and Islam is weak, just as there can be no such thing as anti-white racism because whites are powerful and nonwhites are weak.

Thus apparently extends to gender or rather sexuality as well recently. I've been banned for asking why my sexuality - heterosexual, is excluded, actually not even asked why but if a flag representing my sexuality existed, since there were a bunch of flags that represented every possible spectrum, even asexuality. I am not at all racist, my best friend has dark skin, but I also can't help but notice that on social ne…

From a quick Google search it looks like both Heterosexual and Cisgender have flags, ex. https://prideflags.info/

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Post by woofyman »

lakomen wrote: post #16
thaumasiotes wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At what point does the demand that Western art doesn't do something that offend Islam itself become westernphobic. The standard response is that there can be no such thing as Westernphobia because the West is powerful and Islam is weak, just as there can be no such thing as anti-white racism because whites are powerful and nonwhites are weak.

Thus apparently extends to gender or rather sexuality as well recently. I've been banned for asking why my sexuality - heterosexual, is excluded, actually not even asked why but if a flag representing my sexuality existed, since there were a bunch of flags that represented every possible spectrum, even asexuality. I am not at all racist, my best friend has dark skin, but I also can't help but notice that on social ne…

You’ve never had to fight for basic human rights as a white straight person.

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Post by sgjohnson »

tyho wrote: post #4

In Europe she would be likely be dead or in protective custody. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10655679/Teacher-30... https://www.france24.com/en/france/20211015-the-violence-sho...

Ah. France. The country who’s president is opposed to the right to self-defense too.

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Post by cactusplant7374 »

toxik wrote: post #25
thuridas wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response from a caricature vs a respectful historical depiction may be very different. Remember that in US this happened not a long time ago: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stabbing_of_Salman_Rushdie

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But not according to the Quran. There are two masters.

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Post by orangetuba »

umarniz wrote: post #14

Edit as this is flagged by many people already: My opinion is all art and historical text should be discussed and talked about. Apparently an attempt to share the context is not very appreciated here. No horse in the race but I find it important to try to understand the perspective from all sides. Apparently its similar to showing a swastika or hail hitler. People have been punished for that as well: https://www.thef…

It is not similar at all. Kids all over the world draw swastikas on bathroom stalls and such, just to provoke. Rarely do they get beheaded/stabbed as a consequence, though.

Swastikas are not acceptable, but very few have any strong personal feelings about it. The prophet of this ideology, however, is like a (glorified) family member to 1/4 of the world's population, and you can very easily get killed for depicting him. The most recent and well-known case was the stabbing of Salman Rushdie.

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