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The science of having ideas in the shower

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Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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This article is teaching me that I misunderstood what the default mode network (DMN) is. I was introduced to the term while reading how psychedelics affect the brain. As I understood it, the DMN is a mediator among the many thoughts that normally compete for your brain's attention. By temporarily suppressing the DMN, psychedelics give the weirder thoughts a better chance at center stage. Thus the black dot on the wal…

Having done LSD, I can’t imagine doing anything resembling coherent productivity while tripping. The best I could do was try to process all the crazy shit happening. There was certainly no room for note taking.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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Weed is the secret behind my ability to debug really gnarly problems that others get stuck on. I'm not the best coder, and I'm incapable of finishing projects, but most workplaces I've been at I've quickly become the "hey could you look at this heisenbug" guy. I never smoke in a professional setting of course. I read the code, set breakpoints, debug prints, yadda yadda. Then when I get home I smoke some hashish and s…

I used to believe this was true, but I tested it and found that I was performed noticeably worse while high across a variety of tasks. The weed made me feel like a million bucks, but actually put me at ~80% capacity. I don’t know your brain chemistry, but I’d encourage you not to sell yourself short and believe that you’re only capable of performing well in an altered start of mind. You’re probably better than you be…

I wonder how much of it comes from the ritual and creating the space for thought. I found just putting time between fact-finding and actual debugging has always helped me debug the wilder bugs, and I noticed GP was doing the same. Not taking away from GPs experience in general though, weed is a human experience like any other so if it works then it works. We can think about drugs too clinically for some discussions I think.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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This is my ADHD super power. When I have a problem I take a shower, a walk, play a video game, just to let it stew in the background, sometimes for days. Get intoxicated. You'll eventually get that eureka! effect. It has never failed me. It's often suggested that one needs to work hard to crack a hairy problem. Nonsense. You've got a subconscious system always processing some idea, integrating external unrelated stim…

Same, the legwork of "working hard" on a problem for me these days is just making sure I have all the information I need to stew over. I write up a factfinding doc of points in the codebase that I think are relevant, any context that's relevant, and symptoms of the bug. I never used to write it down but I work across a bunch of projects now so I can sometimes have the bug de-prioritised in my brain.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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Anecdotally, Americans tend to shower more often than Europeans. Perhaps this explains why more tech innovation tends to happen in America these days? I suspect a major cause of the shower gap is energy price gap, leading one to conclude that cheap energy increases innovation!

> I suspect a major cause of the shower gap is energy price gap What a funny assertion. Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Gulf states etc have bottomless supply of cheap energy, where are their innovations?

Stifled by oppressive regimes? Directed away from technology?

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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during a cold shower my best idea is "I THINK I'M CLEAN ENOUGH!"

At what point in the shower? Maybe there could be a drain based sensor that would tell you you're clean enough -- like how some dishwashers work?

Ever think there could be one spot on your body you've never actively cleaned, it has a unique bacterial signature from that time as a child you sat on a recently crushed meteorite, it's the sole remaining life from an alien World! No, just me then.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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I used to believe this was true, but I tested it and found that I was performed noticeably worse while high across a variety of tasks. The weed made me feel like a million bucks, but actually put me at ~80% capacity. I don’t know your brain chemistry, but I’d encourage you not to sell yourself short and believe that you’re only capable of performing well in an altered start of mind. You’re probably better than you be…

Uhm, my post said explicitly it impairs working memory and focus and is limited due to that. It plays a rather small role in just providing an extra push for that aha moment. But the aha moment can't come without doing the leg work of digging into the problem first, and that's hard, thankless work that often amounts to hours, if not days of time spent sober and working. The drugs and the work happen mostly completely…

I’ve heard many sorts of rationalizations to excuse substance addictions, and this sounds like one, too. It’s easy to be seduced by the feeling of getting high, making you prone to self-deception.

You can learn how to unwind without getting high. Getting high can act as a short term coping mechanism for stress, anxiety, etc. but it also throws you out of balance, leading to burnout.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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Cellphones are perfect for this. For maximum effect, hold it above your face while falling asleep. (Only semi-joking, I've done this multiple times.)

Tangentially, it's one of the reasons why I'm still using an older iPhone for my daily life because the haptic Home button (which was removed in newer models) makes it easier to use in an half-asleep state whereas I end up tapping on things accidentally when using my 13 Pro in that state: that button is the escape hatch, like ESC on a keyboard. Any friction between the time I have an idea and the moment I can capture…

I think capturing ideas is lame. It delays thinking of more of them. The benefits of thinking to oneself come not from a single idea, but from the compounding effect of all of them. And you're not thinking of your next idea while you're wasting time capturing the last one.

It's better to let your mind wander to maximize the compounding effect between the ideas, rather than to fret about memorializing every vainly appealing thought (and btw, I bet if you did that while sober, it would look just as ridiculous when reading it the next day).

Just let it flow, man. You'll remember the good stuff.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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> I didn't end up finishing the book, because it was all just too foreign a subject for me to get into. Might I recommend starting it again? The beauty of the book has more to do with Wolfe’s writing style than anything else. And if you think about it, it’s not all that foreign. Much of it comes from the spirit and ethos of the Beats (with Neal Cassady at the wheel no less); it might help you get into what Wolfe is t…

See, the names Neal Cassady and Ken Kesey don't mean anything to me. I enjoyed the writing, but I think it was a story for people who knew the people involved. I honestly spent much of the time trying to decide if it was fiction or biography. I do have On The Road on my list, I figure I'll give it a try. Also figured I should try Bonfire of the Vanities. Especially once I finish building the new vanity for the bathro…

Bonfire is great, a true page turner. I read it while living in NYC (where it takes place). What a thrill! Enjoy it.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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post #109

This is my ADHD super power. When I have a problem I take a shower, a walk, play a video game, just to let it stew in the background, sometimes for days. Get intoxicated. You'll eventually get that eureka! effect. It has never failed me. It's often suggested that one needs to work hard to crack a hairy problem. Nonsense. You've got a subconscious system always processing some idea, integrating external unrelated stim…

>It's often suggested that one needs to work hard to crack a hairy problem. Nonsense. You've got a subconscious system always processing some idea, integrating external unrelated stimuli while you're doing something else: what is commonly called thinking outside the box. The hairier the problem, the least effective pointed focus is to crack it. You can't think outside the box if you're putting all your effort on the box. Go do something else.

Doing both is quite possible, and helps ...

>Conscious thought and focus is but a very small part of our intelligence. Learn to delegate some tasks to your background process.

I'll just leave these here:

Tech Video: Rich Hickey: Hammock-Driven Development

https://jugad2.blogspot.com/2016/03/tech-video-rich-hickey-h...

Lateral thinking:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_thinking

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