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The science of having ideas in the shower

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Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recent visit to my in-laws in Germany.

Maybe something to do with electricity suddenly being 5-10x more expensive than usual.

Skyrocketing energy prices projected to cause unprecedented drop in already dangerously low rate of European innovation!

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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Anecdotally, Americans tend to shower more often than Europeans. Perhaps this explains why more tech innovation tends to happen in America these days? I suspect a major cause of the shower gap is energy price gap, leading one to conclude that cheap energy increases innovation!

It fails to explain why Japanese people who shower literally everyday don't lead innovations...

Japanese people are very creative in my perception. I'm in Thailand where if you aren't taking shower 2 times a day, you are considerably "bad hygiene". In winter, at least 1 time in the morning. You will feel "I'm dirty" outside if you don't.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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“If you’ve ever emerged from the shower or returned from walking your dog with a clever idea or a solution to a problem you’d been struggling with, it may not be a fluke.” Did we really need someone to tell us this? Do people just assume everything is a fluke until some higher authority tells you otherwise?

You may also be surprised to know that scientists aren’t nearly as “surprised” as journalists suggest. Science journalism often seems to use any means necessary to avoid the word “probability”.

It’s a “fluke” in that you don’t always get this effect. But sometimes you do. And some people never do. How strong is the correlation? What’s the mechanism of causation? That’s where the science comes in.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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Anecdotally, Americans tend to shower more often than Europeans. Perhaps this explains why more tech innovation tends to happen in America these days? I suspect a major cause of the shower gap is energy price gap, leading one to conclude that cheap energy increases innovation!

I feel like that has to be cultural rather than price based. The French shower more often than Americans for example and we have higher energy prices.

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah so elderly couple in Germany allows you to conclude that the whole of Europe showers less than your household, a household which is also representative of the whole American continent, did I get that right?

I'm sure like everything else, times have changed and Western Europe and the US are now more similar (if not the same) in their shower habits. But I'd like to provide another anecdote just for fun, from 6 years of living in Spain beginning 20 years ago. It was, at that time, certainly considered unique to shower every day, in a mid-sized northern Spain city. Unless every other friend in my residencia was weird in thi…

Curious. I'm from a mid-sized northern Spanish city, always shower once a day, most of my family and friends do as well. People I know from the south of Spain even shower more than once a day (it's hot down there). And in Spain there is the meme that French and British people shower much less than the Spanish. No idea if there is truth to it (although when I lived in the UK, I was shocked at how seldom the British people I was sharing house with showered, but that's a sample size of two).

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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“If you’ve ever emerged from the shower or returned from walking your dog with a clever idea or a solution to a problem you’d been struggling with, it may not be a fluke.” Did we really need someone to tell us this? Do people just assume everything is a fluke until some higher authority tells you otherwise?

Of all the banal turns of phrase to be offended by...

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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“If you’ve ever emerged from the shower or returned from walking your dog with a clever idea or a solution to a problem you’d been struggling with, it may not be a fluke.” Did we really need someone to tell us this? Do people just assume everything is a fluke until some higher authority tells you otherwise?

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Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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This effect used to be the bane of my ADHD-addled existence until I found these: https://www.myaquanotes.com/ . I buy them in 5 packs now.

Its my working theory that artists (The Beatles or John Carmack) are always operating in this type of mental 'shower' environment. Makes me wonder if maybe there is a 'myaquaguitar.com' alternative haha

Re: The science of having ideas in the shower

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This article is teaching me that I misunderstood what the default mode network (DMN) is. I was introduced to the term while reading how psychedelics affect the brain. As I understood it, the DMN is a mediator among the many thoughts that normally compete for your brain's attention. By temporarily suppressing the DMN, psychedelics give the weirder thoughts a better chance at center stage. Thus the black dot on the wall looks more like a spider, and a normally tenuous connection between Concept X and Concept Y might lead someone to discover a mechanism for cold fusion while tripping.

This article's explanation, on the other hand, fits the DMN moniker better: it's what your brain does when it isn't doing anything. If psychedelics replace a default value with an uninitialized variable, then the resulting behavior is undefined.

This would explain why so-called "set and setting" are so important while experiencing psychedelics. A preoccupied mind doesn't use the DMN. So it would follow that a preoccupied mind wouldn't benefit as much from a suppressed DMN, because it wouldn't have any reason to try activating it.

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