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Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

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So at my last job, I did engineering/land development for cannabis farmers. Everyone I knew had a story about burying money and forgetting where it was buried and being unable to find it. Also, lots of cash was recovered destroyed. Now... One thing I will say about that is, it's harder to find a good spot than you'd think, and good spots are more predictable than you'd think. I've notice several such cash stashes. I…

> it's harder to find a good spot than you'd think, and good spots are more predictable than you'd think Now you've got me curious, can you elaborate?

I assume that if you bury a box of any size, you disturb the ground quite a bit. You also probably don't bury it in a random open field but near some landmark you can easily locate.

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'Not this one, I'll open the other one for you.' Honeypot safe only works if the real one is well concealed. So then it's only worth having if it's somehow known/assumed that you have a safe at all. (Otherwise just leave it well-concealed and you can say 'I don't have a safe, there's some cash in my wallet and a little jewellery in the bedroom' just as effectively as 'Here is the safe it is definitely the real one'.)

Your time would be better spent preparing for the day you will be hit by a meteorite.

It does depend who you are of course, but yes I think we're in agreement?

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Wells Fargo — which in recent years has admitted to systematically ripping off customers with fake accounts, hidden fees and a variety of unwanted and unnecessary financial products — didn’t follow that law. I normally don't like the NYT and I know it continues to get worse, but we need more of this calling our bullshit plainly. I wish we had this in the Canadian media, most of our big companies (and all our banks) a…

On the contrary, I wish the media would not present Wells Fargo as a uniquely bad actor. The only difference between them and the other big banks is that Wells Fargo got caught. Reading an article like this, you might think you would be better off with BofA or Citibank or Chase, but that’s not the case. They are all the same — constrained by a banking culture and a regulatory regime that forces them to all be the sam…

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Just spend a few hours making and scattering "horcruxes".

Shamir secret sharing is a rigorous way to do it. Maybe for this purpose just spreading catenable chunks and some duplicates would be fine though. (It would 'just' mean one being discovered weakens the overall password, if the finder knows what it is. With SSS knowing any less than all of the shares doesn't reveal any part of the secret.)

Well-known implementation of SSS: https://linux.die.net/man/1/ssss-split

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Best normal option is a locked container with a relative. In scenarios where there is a particular risk or a lot of money potentially involved, store important documents with an attorney.

Fire proof safes aren't that expensive. They probably don't stop physical attack, but are good enough in semi-trusted environment and cover for two of the important risks, fire and water invasion.

There is no such thing as a "fire proof safe". They are rated to maintain a certain temperature delta inside for a certain length of time given a fire outside. In the common situation where a house lights up and the structure collapses with a bunch of hot debris burying the safe, thermodynamics wins.

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This makes me wonder if simply burying what you have is a better option. One of my long standing goals is to buy some raw land for hunting and camping, like 50+ acres. I could easily bury several caches of valuables, that only my immediate family knows about, and let nature regrow over it. I mean, what are the chances that a rando stranger is going to be in the middle of nowhere with a metal detector?

Yeah, but many people have buried their money and later found it deteriorated beyond use. Make sure to use some good containers if you go that route :)

One of the best choices is PVC plumbing pipe (schedule 40). It's designed to be buried, and with glued end caps, it's also (obviously by design) waterproof. It has to be cut open, and it obviously wouldn't be good for storing huge amounts of stuff.

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The idea that they can change the terms from the contract you signed is ridiculous. I don’t mind a liability cap for the banks but changing that under you? Insane.

It's different when the contract is a lease whose original term has expired. If it were for a year, for example, perhaps both sides adhered to the contract, but after that each side might have an opportunity to renegotiate the next year-long term.

Clickwrap agreements are annoying, and devilish when combined with an ongoing service.

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Gold. Nobody buries paper money.

> Common causes of damage are fire, water damage, chemicals, explosives, damage caused by animals (including consumption of the currency) or damage from extended burying of the currency [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutilated_currency

Surprised mold isn't on that list. I make sure to add silica gel packets even to my indoor safe these days due to the poor ventilation.

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post #109

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Fire proof safes aren't that expensive. They probably don't stop physical attack, but are good enough in semi-trusted environment and cover for two of the important risks, fire and water invasion.

There is no such thing as a "fire proof safe". They are rated to maintain a certain temperature delta inside for a certain length of time given a fire outside. In the common situation where a house lights up and the structure collapses with a bunch of hot debris burying the safe, thermodynamics wins.

In the common situation where a house lights up and the structure collapses

This is not at all common today, imo.

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