Live data from Hacker News

Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

nytimes.com

11–20 of 162 posts

Re: Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

#11

The Banks would prefer you to pay a fee so that you can donate your valuables to that Bank. If you don't control those assets, they are no longer yours. You doubt that? Just try to access that safety deposit box when that bank is closed for the night. One day that Bank will close for the night and not reopen for quite a while if at all. What will you do then?

Most of my local banks stopped opening at all. Idk if they have safety deposit boxes that can't be accessed now.

Re: Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

#12

  Wells Fargo — which in recent years has admitted to systematically ripping off customers with fake accounts, hidden fees and a variety of unwanted and unnecessary financial products — didn’t follow that law.
I normally don't like the NYT and I know it continues to get worse, but we need more of this calling our bullshit plainly. I wish we had this in the Canadian media, most of our big companies (and all our banks) are criminal, better to just say so and not tiptoe around it

Re: Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

#13

The Banks would prefer you to pay a fee so that you can donate your valuables to that Bank. If you don't control those assets, they are no longer yours. You doubt that? Just try to access that safety deposit box when that bank is closed for the night. One day that Bank will close for the night and not reopen for quite a while if at all. What will you do then?

> One day that Bank will close for the night and not reopen for quite a while if at all.

Are you talking about Fridays? Or something else?

Re: Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

#14
post #9
post #3

$246 annual rent in return for a potential $10M+ liability? No wonder banks are getting out of this business.

I pay about $400/year for $1.5 million in commercial property liability insurance for a small office space. And the risk of somebody "slipping" and collecting $1.5 million is far, far more likely. Every time you drive your car or bicycle you take the risk of running over a star athlete or CEO, and facing a $10 million judgement on lost earnings. Anyhow, banks will typically require liability disclaimers from deposit…

> labor is costly

Why would one need labor to operate a safe-deposit box business? Can't you just have a very secure warehouse full of boxes, with warehouse robots that will grab those boxes and put them into a drop slot when someone taps the appropriate smart card?

Before anyone says that that's impractical/too expensive: there are robotic parking garages that do this for cars, and that's a much higher OpEx.

Re: Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

#15
post #10

Great article to show to people saying "put your backup passphrase / second hardware key into the safe deposit box" Keeping physical stuff safe is hard. Banks were specifically invented so that people didn't need to keep valuables on them.

While I wouldn't put things that could single-handedly grant access in there - since you likely won't be checking on if it's been compromised that frequently - I think it's still great for things like backup 2FA codes or recovery passwords for encrypted media that's stored separately. Make breaking into the box one of the things an attacker would need to do.

I would not put my life savings in jewelry or something in there, but having an off-premise spot for emergency backup codes and stuff like that? Where's a better option?

Re: Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

#16
post #9
post #3

$246 annual rent in return for a potential $10M+ liability? No wonder banks are getting out of this business.

I pay about $400/year for $1.5 million in commercial property liability insurance for a small office space. And the risk of somebody "slipping" and collecting $1.5 million is far, far more likely. Every time you drive your car or bicycle you take the risk of running over a star athlete or CEO, and facing a $10 million judgement on lost earnings. Anyhow, banks will typically require liability disclaimers from deposit…

Doubtless. Even so, the article does mention that safe deposit box insurance is available from third party providers. I don't know about the rates, but I'd imagine if anything it's probably cheaper to insure a half million dollars worth of valuables stuck in a bank vault than the same items stored in your bedroom. Although there's also the possibility of including the items in the box as part of a homeowner's insurance policy. [0] The problem being that some things people put in boxes have a sentimental value that makes them irreplaceable. You can be compensated for Grammy's brooch but it's not the same as Grammy's brooch.

[0] https://www.geico.com/living/home/home-protection/safe-keepi...

Re: Safe deposit boxes aren’t safe (2019)

#19
post #14
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pay about $400/year for $1.5 million in commercial property liability insurance for a small office space. And the risk of somebody "slipping" and collecting $1.5 million is far, far more likely. Every time you drive your car or bicycle you take the risk of running over a star athlete or CEO, and facing a $10 million judgement on lost earnings. Anyhow, banks will typically require liability disclaimers from deposit…

> labor is costly Why would one need labor to operate a safe-deposit box business? Can't you just have a very secure warehouse full of boxes, with warehouse robots that will grab those boxes and put them into a drop slot when someone taps the appropriate smart card? Before anyone says that that's impractical/too expensive: there are robotic parking garages that do this for cars, and that's a much higher OpEx.

> Why would one need labor to operate a safe-deposit box business?

Because physical security boils down to capable men with guns, whether that's private security, the police, or godfather type arrangements.

Post reply on HN