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Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

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Post by pnt12 »

Hamuko wrote: post #605
fallat wrote: post #600

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No, triple A games these days are $90+.

God of War Ragnarök – $70 ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B61YDF5V/ ) Horizon Forbidden West – $55 ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09FBCRKC9/ ) Bayonetta 3 – $53 ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B072MK1CLN/ ) Need for Speed Unbound – $44 ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BHF4XXK5/ ) Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II - $70 ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B3H227Z5/ ) Hogwarts Legacy – $70 ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09W4HF94W/ ) Elden…

And some of these were on discount during Steam Winter sales. Elden Ring was avialble for 40 euros or so!

Re: Ask HN: How many of you are open to Piracy again?

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Post by iamchp »

I’m seriously considering piracy because streaming services don’t offer subtitles in my mothertoungue. I come from a non-english speaking country and I live in a foreign country. Some movie offerings provide my mother tongue, but others don’t, and this is super annoying :’( I really wish content providers would just add on all subtitle languages :(

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Post by sumosudo »

Internet pirates, once thought defeated, Have made a comeback, and now they're heated. No longer just about music and movies, They've found new ways to share and reuse.

They hide in the shadows of the dark web, Stealing passwords and login info, it's a fad, web. But it's not just about the money, you see, It's about the thrill of breaking the rules, can't you agree?

Streaming services are the new target, Subscription fees, they want to circumvent it. But the entertainment industry won't let them win, They'll fight back with all their kin.

So beware, internet pirates, the law is hot on your trail, Streaming services are here to stay, no need to wail. Better to pay for what you watch and listen, Than to risk it all and end up in prison.

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Post by palata »

emeril wrote: post #583
palata wrote: post #569

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Right. But if you only buy a seedbox and connect to it from your home IP, then it does not matter that you paid with bitcoins, right? If you connect to it through a VPN, then that's a second level of indirection, but still you must trust the VPN. Because even if you paid with bitcoins, the VPN knows your home IP and it knows that you connect to a seedbox.

I've been using a seedbox for years I think the risk of not using a vpn to access it is pretty much zero as these seedboxes are deliberately designed to essentially eliminate this issue (i.e., business in one country, hardware is another, likely minimal logs) I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble using a seedbox - likely because there's enough much lower hanging fruit to prosecute

If you DO NOT use a VPN, you 100% trust the seedbox. You trust that they "are deliberately designed to essentially eliminate this issue". That's fine for me, but it's important to know that it's about trust.

If you use a VPN, then you do distribute that trust between the VPN and the seedbox, which makes it much better already.

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Post by palata »

lrvick wrote: post #584
palata wrote: post #569

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Right. But if you only buy a seedbox and connect to it from your home IP, then it does not matter that you paid with bitcoins, right? If you connect to it through a VPN, then that's a second level of indirection, but still you must trust the VPN. Because even if you paid with bitcoins, the VPN knows your home IP and it knows that you connect to a seedbox.

A VPN service would have no way of knowing the box you are connecting to is a seed box. Particularly if you connect over a different IP than you seed from. Piracy is a local tort at worst, and not a crime. Certainly not something that can compel mandatory IP disclosure from multiple foreign entities at the same time for a US copyright claimant targeting an individual. Even then if access to said seedbox is shared wit…

Interesting points indeed. Connecting through a VPN may be enough for the this case. I guess I mostly wanted to make it clear that it's not "perfectly anonymous" just because one paid with bitcoins. And of course that if you connect directly to the seedbox, then you trust 100% this seedbox to be legit.

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Post by bobdvb »

hotpotamus wrote: post #205
bobdvb wrote: post #171

I'll stand out here, because I work for a major sports streaming service. So let me be heard about live streaming at least: 1) Content needs to get paid for, if you're watching an illegally restreamed match then you're not rewarding people like me for the hard work we've done to get that game to you. It's not just faceless corporations, we're people and it's really hard to make a profit in the streaming world, so eve…

Your points are what they are, but I have to say that I find major sports to be the about the least empathetic target you could have chosen. Even college sports in the US are awash in money and we somehow end up using public money to build stadiums for teams of deca-millionaires owned by billionaires. I get that there are plenty of working stiffs who put it all together, but I think they'd be better off asking the bo…

Except all that money is part of the leagues themselves, I', confident we'd happily pay less for the rights.

Ultimately as a platform we're trying to charge as little as possible to capture the largest audience, there's no exclusivity we're driving.

Personally, I'd love if it leagues allowed multiple platforms to carry the same right in the same country, so we could compete entirely based on customer service and service quality. But they love to drive up the bidding war because it gets them more money.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I'm not aiming to attack anyone for doing it, more asking people to understand that there are consequences to piracy more than they expect.

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Post by bobdvb »

cryptonym wrote: post #233
bobdvb wrote: post #171

I'll stand out here, because I work for a major sports streaming service. So let me be heard about live streaming at least: 1) Content needs to get paid for, if you're watching an illegally restreamed match then you're not rewarding people like me for the hard work we've done to get that game to you. It's not just faceless corporations, we're people and it's really hard to make a profit in the streaming world, so eve…

It's not about bad people not willing to pay, it's about your employer or their partners trying to milk consumer with different platforms and artificial restrictions. When you push too far, people will try alternatives ways (potentially illegal) or stop watching. Sure, you will always find some people who will never pay. Focusing your business on this audience doesn't sound smart. Just design something convenient and…

Research says that 30% of pirate consumers are "pay never" and couldn't be convinced to watch legitimate streams. I recall when we did a boxing match and made it available free, you could sign up for a free trial and then cancel, yet our anti-piracy measures showed huge numbers of pirate streams watched by a large number of people. So, even without restrictions, only asking people to follow a simple sign-up process, we still had piracy.

Also as I've said in another reply, the cost and market restrictions aren't a consequence of the streaming platforms decisions, they're what the rights owners/leagues decided is their business model.

I don't want to attack anyone, just remind people that piracy isn't just innocent fun.

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Post by pizza234 »

kaba0 wrote: post #607
pizza234 wrote: post #606

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In the video file itself none, but before being able to click to download whatever (either torrent download or streaming), there's lot of misdirection. From a certain tablet for example, I wasn't able to start a video playback _at all_ from a certain website, because ads kept popping up. In some cases, it's not obvious where to click even for experienced users.

Sure, but nothing will “infect” your computer even if you click all the fake download/play buttons.

Fake buttons definitely can initiate the download of an executable file pretending it's a movie; there's nothing unusual (tech-wise) with it. Once in while, I do experience them.

There are countermeasures in place by some browsers/versions (that is, blocking of downloads with executable extensions), but non-savvy users can be tricked - the concept of file extension/type is not so clear to them, and it also assumes that the user is giving the right attention.

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

addandsubtract wrote: post #577
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #501

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Are there any products or tools for managing this kind of thing? I generally want my lists of books/films/music playlists whatever that I've seen, reviewed or marked as "to watch" to be managed seperately from any one particular vendor, and owned by me. There seems to be some movement towards this with e.g. smart TVs that will search all your apps for shows, and sites that will tell you where a specific film or show…

Trakt.tv lets you bookmark, rate, and keep track of the sites and movies you watch. They also have an API which is used by other apps, such as kodi.

That looks like exactly what I was thinking of, the fact that they use the verb 'scrobble' to describe this tracking suggests they're on the same wavelength as me, so thanks for the tip.
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