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I'd explain why I think it's definitely one way more than the other but the ambiguity makes it much better.
>> the ambiguity makes it much better. What ambiguity? A pimp IS an entrepreneur! And in many cases here the investors are pimps - selling teams of people with questionable output to the public via IPO!
The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z
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Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z
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It's also highly dangerous. I knew a guy that was the electrician to a 50+ year old high rise. He could not turn off the power, don't know why, so he worked with live current all the time. He told me that he would go to the main power source and he could hear it crackle, while he worked on it,since there was so much current going through it. He joked about it but, ya, no thank you.
I dont know about residential buildings, but working on live circuits is a thing, and there are techniques to do it safish-ly. Namely dont touch two wires and dont be ground. Linesmen do it quite a lot. Linesmen is also one of the most dangerous jobs
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I'm not sure how your body parts wear out. Football players ruin their bodies through accumulated injuries, not wearing their bodies out. Do athletes wear their bodies out? I've never heard of that. How does doing plumbing/electricioning wear your body out?
How can you be so capable Walter, yet so oblivious to the fact that people who make their money with their bodies end up wearing that body out well before their life is over?
massibe ignorance of basics of life, and anything outside their bible
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How can you be sure that the YouTube is right and real life professionals are not? Making money on YouTube ad revenue share is quite popular thing today, and no one verifies what is uploaded there, unless it is a copyrighted material.
It obviously depends on the field. But if the YouTube video explains clearly why X technique is sub par, and demonstrates the failure mode I'd believe it over a tradesperson. Say you see your mechanic tighten the nuts on your wheel hub in a circular pattern instead of a star pattern. Would you point this out?
Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z
#645Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z
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Why anecdotes are not data: I have the exact opposite experience. In my opinion time is money, and $50-$100 is money I can earn a lot faster at my contracting rates than I can fixing my toilet. In any case, the fact that skilled trade work is still extremely expensive where I live and has not gone down post-pandemic points to the fact that these tradespeople are having no trouble finding jobs.
> In my opinion time is money, and $50-$100 is money I can earn a lot faster at my contracting rates than I can fixing my toilet. I'm sure you realize that most people make quite a bit less than this, though.
> Why anecdotes are not data: I have the exact opposite experience.
> In my opinion
Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z
#647I would love some of the journalists who write these article to volunteer to take these jobs by quitting and becoming plumbers. Why don’t they do it? Because sitting in a nice cozy chair and having opinions backed by nothing is much higher social status. It’s like this constant gas lighting from elite sources: “Hey can’t buy a house? How about being knee deep in toilets all day and having zero respect in society.”
I realize that "plumbers crack" is a meme, but plumbers are some of the most highly respected people I've worked with. I completely don't understand the second clause there.
And, frankly, opinion columnists (rightfully) get less respect than ever.
Re: The skilled trades haven't caught as a career choice with Gen Z
#648"We need more tradespeople" seems to be an evergreen news article. My brother in law is an electrician. He is paid alright, enough to live on. But there are HUGE downsides. He does not receive health insurance. He does not get paid vacation. In order to match decent white-collar pay, he needs to work overtime. His company pushes hard to get jobs finished fast, causing people to cut safety corners. Many of his coworke…
Every time I employ a tradesman to fix something around here, I get an astonishingly high bill.
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Yeah, once the employer finds out, they've got enough business to quit.
Licensing is different for trade employers vs trade people.
sometimes licenses are different between working for yourself vs someone else. Other times your employer can't take on jobs without you and your license present.
Then there's insurance differences between self-employed and employed ______ tradesperson.
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Tradespeople will definitely not be making 300k+ off a few years of experience five years from now.
Extend that out to 10 years from now and I'll take that bet. Price goes up dramatically in the face of supply shortages, because when there's a shortage you pick your customers instead of them picking you, and some customers have a lot more money than others. Same reason software engineers make $300K/year after a few years experience (when I started my career 15 years ago $100K was considered a very good mid-career s…