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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by indigochill »

bongobingo1 wrote: post #24
dijit wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Prior to its use as an antisemitic label or identifier, ((( screen name ))) had been used in online communities such as AOL to indicate that a user was "cyberhugging" the user with the specified screen name. Why are all the nice things ruined by bigots.

I argue they're ruined by people not parsing context (whether deliberately or otherwise).

Back when the alt-right "Electric Boogaloo" thing was going on, one article I think hit the nail on the head saying something "If you want to wear a Hawaiian shirt, go for it. Just maybe think twice about accessorizing with body armor and assault rifles." The point being that just because some nut jobs make a point of wearing Hawaiian shirt under their militia get-up doesn't poison Hawaiian shirts. Context matters.

This string has legitimate uses and also offensive uses. Context decides which one it is.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by iinnPP »

Semaphor wrote: post #128
iinnPP wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read through the Reddit thread and they seem to be focused on the letter n being tagged on certain names (they claim is stands for the n word with strong racist meaning.) Later someone points out that there is another artist who paints mostly darker skin tones who also has the n identifier. I can, immediately and without effort, see why this might be added. As a way to force representation in output. This is, to me…

n: There are also black artists tagged that way who seem to very rarely depict people at all. And both the white and 1+ of the n-tagged black artists depicted some non-black people. Rimworld: It was whites only at first, black only got added later and then integrated.

Thank you.

Personally I would not call any of the actions racist. The first one can be a legitimate use case with an incredibly poor choice of identifier (or incredibly good in at least one scenario). The mod being updated kind of argues for itself.

I think I will see on the side of caution and call it ignorance instead of malice.

The scenario is one where the n is completely harmless and the purported(on Reddit) word was nowhere in the mind when being typed.

Seems like the kind of thing GitHub should reach out to people about before acting on. At least where there is any (even farfetched) possible explanation.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by cypress66 »

nightpool wrote: post #174
cypress66 wrote: post #145

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Maybe RETNA is mislabeled, and the general idea is to group artists with a "black style". I think the most likely scenario is that automatic's trying to group that style, which is fair and the purpose of those categories after all, and him coming from 4chan is no stranger to the n word, so that's what came to his mind.

And you still don't see how that could be considered racist, like you said in your previous comment? How "him coming from 4chan is no stranger to the n word" might be inconsistent with you "assuming the best of people."?

That would be racist.

Even if I think that's the most likely situation, I give him the benefit of the doubt, that's what I meant.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by GoldenJackal »

dijit wrote: post #13
donkeyd wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looking at the Reddit thread about this, there was some arguably racist stuff going on in his repo which could've been related to this suspension. I'm not sure whether this is the right way to handle such things (banning those specific repo's might be better), but it would be somewhat understandable.

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Wait, what?

AUTOMATIC had nothing to do with that prompt. A user from the Furry Diffusion Discord wrote it and I was suspended from reddit for posting it here (NSFW): https://www.reddit.com/r/FurAI/comments/y2l9o5/want_a_ride_m...

The suspension was lifted on appeal. Terms like “disfigured” were in the negative prompt to make appearance less likely, and the parentheses were to add or reduce weight of certain terms. I’m amused, but baffled, to see it brought up here at all—it should have nothing at all to do with any of this.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by moomin »

oefrha wrote: post #44
cypress66 wrote: post #27

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That's a nice example of false accusations. Parenthesis are used for increasing the weights of some terms. See how he uses single, double or triple parenthesis on different words. It has nothing to do with the triple parenthesis jew thing.

I have no frigging idea even triple parentheses are unspeakable now. Just ran rg '\(\(\(.*\)\)\)' in my projects directory and found many instances authored by me. Guess I should prioritize fixing these, or next time I'm the target of some controversy, someone will use these as evidence of my antisemitism.

I suggest getting annoyed at the people who are constantly trying to think of new anti-Semitic dogwhistles. They make everyone's life harder.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by smcl »

Semaphor wrote: post #135
smcl wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this is where I don't know what to think - I'm overseas and don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of alt-right culture. I only knew it after it was co-opted by Nick Fuentes and his circle so I don't know if it was: 1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power" 2. the news pick this up and runs with it 3. actual white nationalists started using it or 1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power" 2. actual white n…

I’d say both are likely ;) But it’s telling that the ADL at first refused to add it to their list of hate-signs, and then (according to wikipedia, after all I only heard of all this today) reversed their stance 2 years later. And almost all usage of the sign getting someone into trouble have also been 2019+ (again, from the wiki list).

Yeah I think the important thing is regardless of the origin, or the order of events ... it is now sometimes used by white nationalists.

However I don't think that on its use on its own would cause a mob to mass report your account or anything. It's not so self-evidently a sign of hate as a hakenkreuz or the nazi salute would be, it's just worth remembering that in some rare situations it could be poorly received.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by rendall »

Semaphor wrote: post #135
smcl wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So this is where I don't know what to think - I'm overseas and don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of alt-right culture. I only knew it after it was co-opted by Nick Fuentes and his circle so I don't know if it was: 1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power" 2. the news pick this up and runs with it 3. actual white nationalists started using it or 1. 4chan tries to say it means "White Power" 2. actual white n…

I’d say both are likely ;) But it’s telling that the ADL at first refused to add it to their list of hate-signs, and then (according to wikipedia, after all I only heard of all this today) reversed their stance 2 years later. And almost all usage of the sign getting someone into trouble have also been 2019+ (again, from the wiki list).

Always use the OK sign (to mean OK), even if someone else uses it to mean something else. Use it aggressively, always, relentlessly, as protest against bigotry and against language policing.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by Goz3rr »

noirscape wrote: post #68
muglug wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a Reddit thread that goes into some detail: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/103upr6/au...

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

I feel like one thing that should at least be mentioned is that when they uploaded the "White only" mod in september 2018, they also uploaded an equivalent "black only" mod on the same day, followed a few days later by a "yellow only" one after "popular request", something that arguable could be used by people who roleplay in rimworld

All contained basically the same few lines of code that skew the number distribution for the "RandomMelanin" method in the game.

All three are still available on the Steam workshop, although it seems like the functionality of all 3 mods was merged into the "White only" mod, which now provides a slider that lets you select the range instead of hardcoding it, and that is the only source code that remained on their github. This is the only mod of the three that was actively updated for new versions of the game so that has an impact on the statistics as well.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by sschueller »

kleiba wrote: post #8
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #4

Looks like relying on a centralised github isn't the most reliable choice. It's convenient, but if you don't want to be held ransom by Microsoft's decisions, then a self hosted repository has to be the way forwards.

Yeah, someone should invent a version control system that does not rely on some central entity but is actually distributed.

Git maybe decentralized but working in a group, making releases, pull requests etc. That is not part of git and that needs to be decentralized.
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