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Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by pca006132 »

poszlem wrote: post #66
rgoulter wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they really should quote a specific violation of specific TOS when they close your account. I suspect this ends up being impractical, due to helping the bad actors too much. I think moderation being so inconsistent/unclear is mostly because moderation is difficult.

And yet it's the minimum we expect from our legal system, I don't understand why we are okay with corporations being exempt from that.

Our legal system is really expensive, not sure if it is a good alternative to this. And perhaps you can hire a lawyer to sue them when they ban you, they will have to explain the exact TOS violation in the court I think?

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by nightpool »

pelasaco wrote: post #123

Maybe I'm being naive, but reading this comment in his steam page, looks like he is well intentioned https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=15187... "Edit 26-mar-2020: finally, the injustice has been corrected: all races are welcome! You can choose the range of skin colors you want in mod settings."

I'm not sure I see how that was well intentioned? The developer releases a mod that removes non-white people from the game, and then two years later releases two other mods that "equalize" the situation by removing all races except one. I struggle to see what evidence of good intentions you're seeing in that quote.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ceejayoz »

gitfan86 wrote: post #154
ceejayoz wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, there’s more alleged than just the “n” thing; screenshots of Rimworld titled “Auschwitz”, modding the game by race, mockery of the George Floyd protests. Sometimes we infer things from a combination of evidence.

Which ironically is how white people during the Jim Crow era in the south decided guilt vs innocence of black people accused of crimes. No real evidence just assumptions of circumstances based off of the person's skin color.

Circumstantial evidence is real evidence. People get convicted over it regularly.

People in the Jim Crow era were convicted without evidence, or had exonerating evidence hidden by racist law enforcement and prosecutors. It’s hardly the same.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by keewee7 »

pca006132 wrote: post #152
RedShift1 wrote: post #104

So basically, by proxy, you can't host anything on Github that has any sort of "bad words" blacklist integrated?

Perhaps you can encode them in some other format and nobody will bother to check it.

I think Rust/Cargo does this to warn against bad words being used as identifiers.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by noirscape »

reset-password wrote: post #125
noirscape wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it seems the actual reason for the suspension is that Automatic had a mod for the colony-sim game RimWorld that disables certain skin colors from appearing in the game. If you're not familiar, these sorts of mods are near universally made for racist dogwhistling; they're the "barely passable but not really" version of mods that would straight up whitewash non-white characters. The entire debacle started a couple o…

RimWorld is a single player game. They're upset about people making modifications that affect .. literally no one else? What a strange world to live in.

Well, nobody is upset over it except GitHub cuz y'know, it's still pretty blatantly racist.

GitHub probably doesn't want to be seen hosting that shit because they're a company with business agreements and other businesses tend to start side-eyeing you and leaving you for competitors if you don't take action when people report racist stuff to you. (Usually because not cleaning that stuff up tends to be indicative of worse problems not being actioned on). GitHub in specific has a pretty nasty skeleton in the closet that they would really rather not have attention drawn to (their ICE contract, which has cost them several other contracts and has typically cost them about a third of their workforce every time it gets renewed), so they tend to be far more proactive in cleaning up that sort of thing.

Their TOS probably has a line forbidding this sort of mod from being uploaded and someone probably just filed a report to GitHub about it breaking their TOS or someone from their T&S team happened to find it while checking up on Automatics repositories.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by nightpool »

pelasaco wrote: post #114
sammy2255 wrote: post #10

Having a Rimworld mod that removes black characters is not enough to warrant a platform ban, in my opinion.

You should also mention there are two counterpart mods called "black only" and "yellow only"

Released at least two years after the original WhiteOnly mod:

"Edit 26-mar-2020: finally, the injustice has been corrected: all races are welcome! You can choose the range of skin colors you want in mod settings."

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=15187...

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by ethbr0 »

poszlem wrote: post #62
Semaphor wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> though it's pretty disgusting in other ways In what ways? All I can see is some furry porn stuff. Explicit and not my fetish, but what parts are disgusting?

I can imagine that porn with animals (even cartoons) might be disgusting to some people. There is a reason why bestiality is quite high in the list of social taboos.

Does beast-on-beast qualify as beastiality?

I always thought that was just, you know, a Tuesday on Animal Planet?

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by throw_me_5555 »

violini wrote: post #14

If this really is about racism, as some people are suggesting, it makes me wonder how equitably such TOS-rules would be applied in other cases. For example, if Linus Torvalds turned out to be a racist or sexist or homosexist or transexist, would his Linux repository ( https://github.com/torvalds/linux ) be hammered? Would he be removed from the Linux project somehow?

Probably. Just checkout how much fallout RMS generates when sharing his opinion outside software domain. It will be always weird, to kick original autor from project, but it happens from time to time.

Re: Automatic1111's GitHub account suspended for "ToS violations" [restored]

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Post by smcl »

ilyt wrote: post #102
smcl wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GitHub will have removed this because they don't want to be seen hosting racist shit on their platform. They don't want that because as it turns out the vast majority of the population isn't on board with racism, so not doing so would empower their competitors, hurt their brand and affect their bottom line. It's the same with Disney (the "oh a black little mermaid!?" stuff) and all the other the other ultimately bana…

Ye I don't see anyone quitting github over some random rimworld mod. I claim bullshit on that People still buy Nestle and they do far worse shit. People have no problem supporting corporations that do business with racist regimes. Claiming somehow people (other than some virtue signalling) would start migrating in droves to gitlab because there is a mod for rimworld is insane.

No you're right, there's not going to be a mass exodus because of one mod. However if GitHub became known as the 8chan of git where anything goes, that would likely cause a slow decline that would be difficult to turn around. The way you prevent that is by drawing a line and saying that if someone crosses that line they're gone. I guess they've deemed this user to have crossed the line.

Whenever I see "virtue signalling" or "free speech" mentioned regarding tech companies like GitHub, Facebook, Twitter etc it's usually someone pretending they don't understand how companies work (and ironically doing their own little form of virtue signalling). Companies want to make money. You don't make money by pissing off the population. GitHub seem to have decided that allowing a user they've deemed as questionable is going to piss off more people than kicking that user off. If you don't like it and want to exercise your freedom of speech and/or signal that you're more virtuous than the rest of us then you are welcome to self-host or try out GitLab, BitBucket, sr.ht or CodeBerg.

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