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Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by nickthegreek »

Hizonner wrote: post #78
nickthegreek wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even now you refuse to engage on my original position. My original position was that leaving out the very real issue of rape when it comes to incest could be construed as trying to move the overton window. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word most, but instead, at least 1/3 of all reported child abuse is done by family. This stat should easily backup my original position that incest and rape are intrinsically linked.…

At least some percentage of all sex is rape, so by your, um, logic, the two are "intrinsically linked", and mentioning sex without bringing up rape is trying to move the Overton window. AND the original post explicitly limited the field to adults. So even that had already been dealt with. You are operating in the proud rhetorical tradition that calls all LGBT people "groomers"... and I'm done with you.

Apologies if you find my rhetoric to be like that and I will attempt to speak with more clarity in the future. I would never assume that LGBT people are groomers. My reading of the OP's statement didn't explicitly limit the field to adults. Maybe on this topic, I am skewed by my personal experience. I have several friends who were raped by family members and that trauma has seriously scarred them. The number is high enough for me not to trust others engaging in pro-incest rhetoric as I know exactly zero people engaged in consensual incest. One might say that is because it is taboo to talk about... I don't have a good response to that. I imagine that our actual views on this topic are more in line than what is appearing in this thread. I do not have any issue with consenting adults of sound mind engaging in victimless activities of their choosing. This does get muddied by issue of pregnancy though.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by sowbug »

If you want to be an asshole, be an asshole. Just don't complain when others treat you as an asshole.

We all have thoughts we choose not to express. The ability to choose whether to express a thought is arguably the most human of human traits. You are not special for having unspoken thoughts.

Nobody gets the freedom of speech without also taking its complement: the privilege of bearing the consequences (positive and negative) of choosing whether to speak.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by dang »

wittycardio wrote: post #14

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We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the site guidelines. You can't post like this here;

or like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34235637

or this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34070263

or this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33962019.

Please don't create accounts to break HN's rules with. It will eventually get your main account banned as well.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by gnomewrecker »

lukebitts wrote: post #79
theelous3 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no way this is a good faith question. As someone delivering their opinion on the internet - surely you can explain why someone would like to deliver their opinion on the internet.

I personally don’t get anything out of sharing my opinion on the internet, I do it out of reflex and I actually have been taking measures to stop doing it. So no, not asking in bad faith.

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Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by cvalka »

coldpie wrote: post #46
theelous3 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On some level this response seems sane, but the more I think about it the more insane it is. Are we seriously questioning why someone wants to share their opinions on a topic? Are we actually clueless as to what they get out of it? Is telling them they should instead spend a great deal of time following a completely unrelated pursuit our solution? "Hey, I'm having a hard time expressing myself while feeling safe from…

"A rule of etiquette -- in business, at the dinner table, at the barbershop and elsewhere -- is 'never talk about religion or politics.' These subjects are highly contentious and usually result in heated argument instead of general agreement. 'Never discuss religion or politics with those who hold opinions opposite to yours' has been cited in print since at least 1840. 'Do not discuss politics or religion in general…

Hobbies are overrated. Arguing politics on the Internet is another hobby.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by peruvian »

theelous3 wrote: post #58
lukebitts wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are we seriously questioning why someone wants to share their opinions on a topic? Are we actually clueless as to what they get out of it? Yes, feel free to explain why that’s insane. It seems absolutely normal to keep things to yourself

There is no way this is a good faith question. As someone delivering their opinion on the internet - surely you can explain why someone would like to deliver their opinion on the internet.

I wasted a decade+ on my life arguing online all day. I see what coldpie says. It is legitimately a pointless waste of time.

Obviously I am still on HN so I still do it, but I definitely feel it's futile and it's a guilty pleasure. But even here, I've lurked or posted for many years too and I can't recall anyone changing their opinion on anything.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by ad404b8a372f2b9 »

xenadu02 wrote: post #31

You're not the main character. You're not entitled to have the world accept your opinions gracefully. You're not even entitled to a "fair hearing out" of your views. Unless you deliberately want to engage in advocacy to change society's view on a topic or persuade other people keep controversial opinions to yourself. If you aren't sure test the waters only in appropriate contexts without committing to the opinion whi…

People have become rather fond of the word "entitlement", there seems to be a particular glee in telling people they are entitled to nothing and great relish in telling them their suffering is justified and born out of arrogance and personal flaws.

It's funny because it's something I used to hear all the time from very conservative voices when arguing for progressive change. Now it seems to have been adopted by the other side to shut down the mildest complaints. If you ask to be able to discuss a controversial opinion without verbal abuse, harassment and threats, you are not entitled, you are a normal human being in a civilized society.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by marshray »

Tepix wrote: post #2

Not using the same (virtual) identity everywhere is a good idea in general.

Successfully maintaining multiple unlinkable online identities is more difficult than most people expect. One slip-up, and you're linked. Too much sharing and you're deanonymized completely.

It's not a thing that most people can succeed at over the long term.

For example, recently a Twitter data breach has been in the news. If you are two of the 400M users, then your phone number or some other bit of information will likely be the same across identities.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

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Post by mariuolo »

nickthegreek wrote: post #81
Hizonner wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least some percentage of all sex is rape, so by your, um, logic, the two are "intrinsically linked", and mentioning sex without bringing up rape is trying to move the Overton window. AND the original post explicitly limited the field to adults. So even that had already been dealt with. You are operating in the proud rhetorical tradition that calls all LGBT people "groomers"... and I'm done with you.

Apologies if you find my rhetoric to be like that and I will attempt to speak with more clarity in the future. I would never assume that LGBT people are groomers. My reading of the OP's statement didn't explicitly limit the field to adults. Maybe on this topic, I am skewed by my personal experience. I have several friends who were raped by family members and that trauma has seriously scarred them. The number is high…

> as I know exactly zero people engaged in consensual incest

And why, pray, should they come out only to face unfounded accusations of rape and child abuse?

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