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Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#41
My solution to this is mostly just ignoring downvotes.

I too couldn't care less about what two consenting adults get up to though I'll judge them if they don't take very strict measures to prevent accidental pregnancy. Others may judge me for that opinion, but freedom of speech also implies others' freedom of speech to voice their concern with you.

I also think the American sensibilities regarding potentially harmful words or behaviour are stupid, part of my set of "those silly Americans" opinions. Those "this person tweeted some bad joke ten years ago" headlines are depressingly stupid. Luckily, I haven't encountered any such behaviour over here unless it's about celebrities.

If you think your opinion might cost you your job, a) that says a lot about your immediate environment/work culture and b) you can get around that by expressing your opinions under an account that's not directly linked to your name or work. Your opinions about controversial topics and your github username shouldn't be too closely connected if someone malicious might try to use your opinion against you.

Another thing to consider is when to voice your opinion. If someone asks "what do you think about incest" then sure, you should be able to voice your opinion without issue. Sometimes, though, it's best to avoid controversial topics when discussing other topics, even though the two are tangentially related.

I've put up plenty of controversial opinions and I just accept the negative internet points. I've never had crazies go after me other than two or three people pissed off at my opinion that decided to down vote all my post in a thread, which is too sad for me to care about.

Make no mistake, though, the HN hive mind is very much a thing and when you hit certain topics (specific ways of doing business, for example) you can find reasonable posts that go against the flow all the way at the bottom in light grey. You may need to enable showdead to see them (they're not always down voted either, sometimes it's just spam detection making a mistake).

One thing to consider, though, and something I've had to do over time, was to consider the basis of some of your opinions if you find yourself getting down voted across the board. Downvoted comments with no responses are often useless, but when people start stating their reasons then it may be worth to consider them. Everyone else can be wrong, especially inside echo chambers like social media, but it's still worth it to challenge your own position every now and then.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#42
post #5

I mean, I don’t disagree with the general point of being privacy focused as a default. Yes, that should be everyone’s approach given that we don’t openly share in real life. However, I do find it hilarious in a rather childish way that you are surprised how people react to your opinion on incest. Of all opinions, why even use that as an example? It just shows that there simply is an issue of over sharing and not bein…

> You know what I get from your opinion? That you are ok with adults abusing children they are related to. Even if that’s not your point, you have to at least recognize that’s gonna be a generally unpopular opinion unless you tend to hang out with pedophiles.

That's not even close to what OP stated. What are you talking about?

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#44
post #7

Why do you want to share your opinions on controversial topics? What do you get out of it? No one cares about your opinions on incest except to dunk on you. You're not going to revolutionize society's opinions on incest. So stop doing that. There's a whole universe of non-politics and non-religion topics out there. Go find a cool one. Maybe explore music theory and analysis, plenty of people to talk to about that. Ma…

On some level this response seems sane, but the more I think about it the more insane it is. Are we seriously questioning why someone wants to share their opinions on a topic? Are we actually clueless as to what they get out of it? Is telling them they should instead spend a great deal of time following a completely unrelated pursuit our solution? "Hey, I'm having a hard time expressing myself while feeling safe from…

> Are we seriously questioning why someone wants to share their opinions on a topic? Are we actually clueless as to what they get out of it?

Yes, feel free to explain why that’s insane. It seems absolutely normal to keep things to yourself

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#45
> Just to give an example, I couldnt care less about people engaging in incest and find it just an old cultural taboo. Adults are responsible enough to know about the dangers of having children and they can do whatever they want.

The problem with incest is that any offspring, and their descendents, suffer the genetic effects of inbreeding.

It's taboo because such pairings are much more likely to produce defective children who will have a lifetime of disability and suffering from genetic disorders.

(This comment is an example of someone engaging with one of your expressed beliefs in a critical yet non-judgemental manner. I think your best bet is to find forums where this type of response is encouraged, and avoid forums where it isn't. And only use throwaway accounts everywhere you leave an opinion, that aren't tied to your real-life identity or to other identities you've established online, as you did with this post.)

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#46
post #7

Why do you want to share your opinions on controversial topics? What do you get out of it? No one cares about your opinions on incest except to dunk on you. You're not going to revolutionize society's opinions on incest. So stop doing that. There's a whole universe of non-politics and non-religion topics out there. Go find a cool one. Maybe explore music theory and analysis, plenty of people to talk to about that. Ma…

On some level this response seems sane, but the more I think about it the more insane it is. Are we seriously questioning why someone wants to share their opinions on a topic? Are we actually clueless as to what they get out of it? Is telling them they should instead spend a great deal of time following a completely unrelated pursuit our solution? "Hey, I'm having a hard time expressing myself while feeling safe from…

"A rule of etiquette -- in business, at the dinner table, at the barbershop and elsewhere -- is 'never talk about religion or politics.' These subjects are highly contentious and usually result in heated argument instead of general agreement. 'Never discuss religion or politics with those who hold opinions opposite to yours' has been cited in print since at least 1840. 'Do not discuss politics or religion in general company' is from 1879."

https://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/new_york_city/entry/nev...

I think we will somehow survive as a society without hearing this dude's thoughts on incest. And yes, I think people would be better served spending their time on hobbies than arguing politics on the Internet.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#47
post #7

Why do you want to share your opinions on controversial topics? What do you get out of it? No one cares about your opinions on incest except to dunk on you. You're not going to revolutionize society's opinions on incest. So stop doing that. There's a whole universe of non-politics and non-religion topics out there. Go find a cool one. Maybe explore music theory and analysis, plenty of people to talk to about that. Ma…

What if this was about black people right to sit at the front of the bus? Would you still say: "Why do you want to share your opinions on controversial topics? What do you get out of it? No one cares about your opinions on apartheid except to dunk on you. You're not going to revolutionize society's opinions on black people. So stop doing that."

Not saying incest and apartheid are the same thing, but we need to be able to discuss all ideas in an open way, even the ones that most of us find uncomfortable. Otherwise democracy dies.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#48
I agree with you, and have the same problem. Even though staying anonymous is not too difficult, it's frustrating that it's required. It feels alienating to learn that others are hostile to your thoughts and ideas, to learn that under the freedom of anonymity others still disagree with you, more harshly than they might in person. And it's frustrating to see that some other people are able to fit into the social zeitgeist using their real names, seemingly with no socially unpalatable opinions. (I suppose they probably have their own secret accounts, as well as thick skins.)

I don't think of myself as having particularly offensive or niche opinions, but I probably have a contrarian or confrontational style of communication which causes offense. Certain people (such as INTPs, which we probably both are) tend to pride themselves on being smart and logical. It hurts our self-image when someone disagrees with us.

We also like to discuss things in purely logical and theoretical terms without regard for the context or connotations of the logic. For example, when discussing incest like you did, most people would use a bunch of disclaimers, like "I'm not actually into incest at all, and definitely not a pedophile, but...". You and I would tend to leave out those disclaimers as a matter of pride, because they aren't relevant to the logical idea that you're proposing, and are only useful at defending against ad-hominem attacks. We expect the reader to discuss the topic on purely theoretical grounds in pursuit of the truth. I dislike having to use those disclaimers and often leave them out on purpose because I want to "win" the discussion with my ideas, not my character. This tends to make me unpopular on Reddit. In real life, of course, I would use disclaimers because I care about my reputation beyond the realm of ideas. It's just disappointing that even ostensibly-anonymous social media isn't free of those constraints.

Honestly, I like 4chan for this reason. People don't shy away from uncomfortable opinions there; instead, they run towards them. I strongly disagree with most of the 4chan zeitgeist, and hate a lot of the people there, but its unfiltered nature is refreshing sometimes.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#49
post #7

Why do you want to share your opinions on controversial topics? What do you get out of it? No one cares about your opinions on incest except to dunk on you. You're not going to revolutionize society's opinions on incest. So stop doing that. There's a whole universe of non-politics and non-religion topics out there. Go find a cool one. Maybe explore music theory and analysis, plenty of people to talk to about that. Ma…

What if this was about black people right to sit at the front of the bus? Would you still say: "Why do you want to share your opinions on controversial topics? What do you get out of it? No one cares about your opinions on apartheid except to dunk on you. You're not going to revolutionize society's opinions on black people. So stop doing that." Not saying incest and apartheid are the same thing, but we need to be abl…

Organizing for massive political change has pretty much no overlap with arguing with people on Reddit. Arguing on the Internet is just a lame hobby some people get caught up in, and it would be good for everyone if they found a better one to spend their time on.

If he wants to spin up an Incest Rights Advocacy group, he can certainly go do that. But arguing on Reddit and then feeling sad about it is not Step 1 in that process.

Re: Tell HN: I'm scared of sharing my opinion online

#50
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On some level this response seems sane, but the more I think about it the more insane it is. Are we seriously questioning why someone wants to share their opinions on a topic? Are we actually clueless as to what they get out of it? Is telling them they should instead spend a great deal of time following a completely unrelated pursuit our solution? "Hey, I'm having a hard time expressing myself while feeling safe from…

"A rule of etiquette -- in business, at the dinner table, at the barbershop and elsewhere -- is 'never talk about religion or politics.' These subjects are highly contentious and usually result in heated argument instead of general agreement. 'Never discuss religion or politics with those who hold opinions opposite to yours' has been cited in print since at least 1840. 'Do not discuss politics or religion in general…

The person is not walking in to business meetings arguing the ethics of incest. Clearly they understand this given their declaration of a throwaway.

I think it's also probably safe to say they're not delivering these opinions as non-sequiturs. If there is some news article posted for discussion about incest, and I showed up to say "I don't like incest", I doubt I'd find anyone telling me about references to

> 1840, The Corsair, “The Letter Bag of the Great Western,” pg. 775, col. 1

But look what seems to happen at the inverse?

Make of the opinion what you will, but bashing the engagement is a bit rich.

OP is just giving the outsiders perspective to the hivemind. It's worth hearing now and then imo.

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