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Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by craigkerstiens »

Layoffs suck no matter what. But from what I'm hearing they're giving some pretty good severance across the board and added time for tenure as well.

That said there are some bumpy things about how Salesforce seems to have handled this. In several cases managers and skip levels got no advance notice and were left scrambling in slack to see which team members no longer had active accounts. At the mass of a level it can be hard to be coordinated, but still a few hrs after there is a lot of unclarity internally to teams and what that means.

Within Heroku there are folks currently on call for production systems that were impacted. I feel for those impacted as well as those still there scrambling to ensure things continue to operate for customers. Seems that within the broader Salesforce org some pieces of it were done in a better fashion than some others we've recently seen, but also some pretty missteps still.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by 29athrowaway »

craigkerstiens wrote: post #171

Layoffs suck no matter what. But from what I'm hearing they're giving some pretty good severance across the board and added time for tenure as well. That said there are some bumpy things about how Salesforce seems to have handled this. In several cases managers and skip levels got no advance notice and were left scrambling in slack to see which team members no longer had active accounts. At the mass of a level it can…

Did it trigger the WARN act?

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by sokoloff »

neon_electro wrote: post #142
symlinkk wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you do that companies will be more reluctant to hire, since they’ll have to factor in the risk of paying a hefty severance.

Do you like the current status quo where employers are not reluctant to hire, and they're just as likely to lay folks off? Where's the efficiency for employee or employer?

I like it more than the (admittedly extreme) situation in France. There could be a happy medium, but going far enough down the road to making it hard to fire makes it hard to get hired.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by willcipriano »

symlinkk wrote: post #132
dan-0 wrote: post #103

Maybe it's just the segment I'm in, but I feel like Salesforce was hiring pretty hard up until recently. They wouldn't be the only company to go from a hiring spree to layoffs that quickly over the last quarter. We really need to lock this absurdity down and increase severance requirements for large companies heavily. It's one thing to gamble risk for the company, it's something completely different to gamble employe…

If you do that companies will be more reluctant to hire, since they’ll have to factor in the risk of paying a hefty severance.

The people downvoting you are suffering from a sort of survivorship bias. Sure, now you'd like the comfort of knowing your employer would have to pay you a ton of money if they laid you off, but what if you were somebody who was recently laid off looking for a job and people were reluctant to hire beacuse of this requirement? It's not clear to me that it's a net win, from my perspective I'd rather be able to easily replace my employer as opposed to them paying me for a few months.

A strong labor market has been effective in rasing the real incomes of the bottom 25% or so over the past few years, it's entirely possible that a weaker labor market with stronger workers protections would've been less effective at doing so leaving the very poor worse off.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by mustafabisic1 »

Not fun. I read somewhere a year ago that there will are more than 10000 salesforce cloud related jobs available and can't be fulfilled.

For me it looks like Salesforce is here to stay. We'll see how it goes for them if their clients start to tank.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by bushbaba »

fundad wrote: post #95
mensetmanusman wrote: post #57

There are over two jobs open for every layoff. People haven’t realized how crazy the labor market is about to get with a collapsing workforce population over the next many decades.

We haven’t been preparing for the massive retirement of the boomers. It’s tough in many cases where they spend their careers keeping younger people out of leadership. Then they complain to national papers that workers aren’t hustling enough to get into leadership. There will be volatility as a new generation takes over at companies. Each generation is larger and more educated than the last so demand will keep up.

Get ready for assisted living and nursing salary to double. There’s already a shortage.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by rsstack »

smarx007 wrote: post #164
davely wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife woke up this morning to an email sent at 3:16AM informing her that she was laid off as part of this restructuring. It's a blessing in disguise, IMHO -- the work-life boundaries expected as part of her org were non-existent (calls with India every night at 8PM or 7AM, our time in California, on top of the normal 9-5 hours). It's definitely hard to process. Lots of feelings of anger, sadness, relief, etc. Fortu…

Why would anyone wake up to an email at 3AM?

She woke up at a normal hour and saw an email from 3 AM. "Woke up to find a notification on her phone", not "woken up by a notification on her phone".

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by sokoloff »

smarx007 wrote: post #164
davely wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife woke up this morning to an email sent at 3:16AM informing her that she was laid off as part of this restructuring. It's a blessing in disguise, IMHO -- the work-life boundaries expected as part of her org were non-existent (calls with India every night at 8PM or 7AM, our time in California, on top of the normal 9-5 hours). It's definitely hard to process. Lots of feelings of anger, sadness, relief, etc. Fortu…

Why would anyone wake up to an email at 3AM?

I read it as “woke up at to an email which was sent at 3:16AM.”

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by Eumenes »

dan-0 wrote: post #103

Maybe it's just the segment I'm in, but I feel like Salesforce was hiring pretty hard up until recently. They wouldn't be the only company to go from a hiring spree to layoffs that quickly over the last quarter. We really need to lock this absurdity down and increase severance requirements for large companies heavily. It's one thing to gamble risk for the company, it's something completely different to gamble employe…

Severance requirements are not an entitlement. It'll make hiring harder than it already is.

Re: Salesforce will lay off 10% of staff as part of restructuring

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Post by rawgabbit »

Dwolb wrote: post #125
rawgabbit wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have personal experience with other ERPs and Salesforce is the best of the lot in my opinion. With my current company, we have employees in Singapore, Europe, USA, and South Africa etc. who all interact with Salesforce on a daily basis. We use it for CRM, service support (VOIP with call tracking), marketing, financials (questionable decision), and analytics (Tableau). Where it shines in my opinion is that does auto…

How do you run financials in SF?

We use Financial Force managed package. We are now considering migrating to Workday Financials.
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