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In 2022, Web3 went just great

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Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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web2 scams are not web3, web3 involves bitcoin which current price is respectable the boom bust cycly in 20-21 was heavily macro related. Web3 also involves ipfs, you can search for any book currently and the data lives on the blockchain. If you don't see the benefits by now, it is whatever, blockchain is just a data structure, some people will never be convinced, postgres and procedural statements is all they want.…

> Web3 also involves ipfs, you can search for any book currently and the data lives on the blockchain.

AFAICT the limiting factors for something like libgen are harddisk space and the speed of one's internet connection. If those aren't a factor then one could go grab the entire thing with no friction whatsoever.

Blockchain does not help the user with either of those limiting factors.

Further-- while I don't understand the economics/incentives of private trackers like what.cd or redacted, it appears that they've addressed the availability problem wrt rare files. I.e., bittorrent does a great job replicating the most popular files, and a poor job replicating the least popular ones. But on these trackers the user can select any file from the index and essentially be guaranteed fastest possible download time from any nodes that have the file. AFAICT blockchain is not used in any way, shape, or form in this scheme.

Blockchain is indirectly used by sci-hub for receiving Bitcoin donations. That's not nothing, but it's also not new.

Finally-- in the entire time that sci-hub has existed, has any innovation in blockchain made a significant, positive difference in sci-hub's ability to do their work? If so, I'd love to read about it. If not, it appears they only use it because literally every other donation method is unavailable to them.

From reading pro-blockchain comments on HN for awhile, it appears that blockchain is a technology that slurps up attention and refocuses it on how to make blockchain a better blockchain, so that more blockchain devs can get involved in blockchain.

It would be like if 99% of emacs developers hacked on emacs to the exclusion of literally any other project, forever. But the improvements they were making to emacs somehow only ever increased productivity for other emacs developers who work only on emacs, and no one else.

That emacs in reality is less insular than blockchain should really snap you back into reality on web3.

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>FTX, on the other hand, was just plain old fraud, not really related to crypto itself. The fact that it's not related should tell you something. Cryptocurrency is designed to solve exactly the problems FTX had. It is designed to enable trustless finance. Why didn't cryptocurrency prevent that problem? Because FTX wasn't using cryptocurrency, because cryptocurrency is unworkable.

A proper use of cryptocurrency could have prevented the problem, but FTX and users mutually agreed to give FTX more trust by giving FTX custody of user funds. That's really all it was. Not very interesting.

Ah, the good old “communism would work perfectly but the Soviet Union was doing it all wrong” style argument.

Blind faith in an economic theory against all empirical evidence is a dead end.

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>FTX, on the other hand, was just plain old fraud, not really related to crypto itself. The fact that it's not related should tell you something. Cryptocurrency is designed to solve exactly the problems FTX had. It is designed to enable trustless finance. Why didn't cryptocurrency prevent that problem? Because FTX wasn't using cryptocurrency, because cryptocurrency is unworkable.

Because the trustless nature of crypto is present only at the protocol layer of crypto. The application layer, which is what basically all non institutional users of crypto interact with, isn't trustless at all. But also we should remember that pretty much every bank in the US would have FTXed it's customers money in 2008 if the government hadn't bailed them out.

I'm pretty sure the US has insured deposits up to a sizeable threshold, so no, the vast majority of customers would not have been FTXed, I think.

This is something that keeps coming up: the regulations and institutions in traditional finance exist largely because it already went through the same pain that crypto finance ia going through now.

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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I'm kinda happy with the way things turned out. For a moment, my understanding of reality was upside down with how many mediocre and clearly pointless projects were generating so much money.

With every crypto hype cycle, I actually go through the motions and create a smart contract project and become completely disillusioned with the hype. I thought ERC20 tokens were bullshit when I realized it's just updating keys in a hashtable.

I worked in Solana and was surprised to find out that a developer can update a program at will. No one is really talking about this and this seems like a disastrously shaky foundation to put your money in, along with programs being difficult to audit.

There are some NFTs by amazing artists which no one cares about. The ones with the most popularity are modern-day clip art pieces, with copy-paste scripts and marketing strategies.

I think web3/crypto will have mass adoption, but when it does, it will be much more boring and seamless with what we have today, with large companies managing blockchains and governments issuing their own coins.

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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I'd be curious to see the source on those numbers and how they're broken down. For example, Terra/Luna was a spectacular crypto failure. FTX, on the other hand, was just plain old fraud, not really related to crypto itself.

The FTX fraud is not even part of the counter https://web3isgoinggreat.com/charts/top

There's only the relatively small (!) $370M hack

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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I would estimate 95% of those are inside jobs. Very very very few people have the ability and wherewithal to hack a smart contract or bridge, they are extremely convoluted, ugly and difficult to understand.

Don’t forget, also very few of those people want to be blackhat.

I read once blackhat and whitehat are just buzz words and most of real hackers (not script kiddies or pentesters) are more like greyhats.

That being said, I uncovered once a security hole (in reality it should be called an open door) in the admin password of the now disappeared bbox2, the official router for the belgian company called Proximus.

How did I discovered it ? I wanted to watch ip addresses going through the router because I knew the owner of the box was up to something about me... But almost immediatelly I discovered the admin password field was like an 'universal lock', meaning any key could open it... in other word word, any string entered in the password field allowed to access admin pages of the box. After a few google searches, I discovered the software (the OS) was the last version, dating a few years back, and the box producer didn't pushed anymore update, not even security update. (Look at synology NAS scandal where Synology dropped software update for one of its older hardware to have an idea of the kind of thing it means for hardware facing internet access).

I immediatly reported the security hole to the federal cybersecurity unit, and after that, kept my mouth shut because there wasn't any way to fix this security issue except replacing the hardware itself. At that time, between 1/6 to 1/4 of routers in belgium were bbox2. I never heard anything from the federal cybersecurity unit (except a mere thank you by mail) or Proximus, but 1 year and a half later, bbox2 where nowhere to be found anymore in belgium. The only thing I have left from that is the mail I sent to the cybersecurity unit with screenshots of the bbox2 admin pages.

Why did I report it and shut my mouth without taking credentials for it (that's the kind of things which can launch a career in security field) ?

Because it's one thing to try to snoop on an accointance browsing activity, it's another to let a security hole of this magnitude in the open, and a far worse thing to disclose it to the public while there is no fix for it. And that's another level to sell it on dark market or to the chinese or russian ambassy (I'm not in the hacking business but I'm pretty sure they would have dropped a big pile of cash for that).

Just to say, Bruxelles is also home of numerous european institutions...

Maybe that's why the european parlement voted for mandotary code review for everything facing the internet in EU ?

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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I would feel bad for people who lost money in crypto if every time I tried to warn them during the bubble they wouldn't have said 'have fun staying poor' and called me ignorant. It is tough to remain motivated to try and convince people that they are making bad decision when they actively berate you. It feels like telling someone about to jump into the shallow end of a swimming pool from a balcony that they are going…

Same. I’m one of those lucky few who had futzed with BTC in 2011 when it was almost brand new and then forgot about it till 2019 when it started spiking. I spent two weeks digging through boxes and imaging hard drives before miraculously finding my wallet.dat from 2011 that I luckily hadn’t encrypted or even passworded lol. Had 3.25btc in it (I remembered the .25. The extra 3 were a shock.). I ended up paying for my…

> shoulda seen my broker’s face...

That rigamarole could have been easily avoid by converting the crypto to cash, which is trivial to prove is yours.

Did they end up accepting the crypto directly, or as cash?

Edit: thanks for the clarification, I didn't realize the issue wasn't with possession so much as provenance.

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we need to look at this from the perspective of a society and ask ourselves what else we could have done. Obviously there are a whole lot of people in society completely lacking in common sense and critical thinking skills, while at the same time mass rudeness seems normalized too. Is this a failure of education, or parenting? Or has it always been this way, and the only difference is the way we communicate w…

> Or has it always been this way, and the only difference is the way we communicate with each other now naturally results in mass failures of common sense? I don't think we're living in a particularly unique time this way. The book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds was written in 1841 and was already then packed full of stories not dissimilar to the current crypto bubble. I don't mean to sound…

> The book Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds was written in 1841

It feels worth noting that this book, as well as the wider idea of an abstract idea of crowd-induced mania in general it reinforces, is pseudoscientific with little credible evidence to support it.

It's origins lie much more in the political motivations and historical context of the authors: It is no coincidence that this book was written by a wealthy scotsman against the backdrop of the idea was first floated by an aristocrat during the upheavals and riots surrounding the introduction of capitalism, and that the idea was initially proposed by an aristocrat during the french revolution. They were both times where it was extraordinarily convenient to be able to dismiss engaging with the things the crowd was being driven by.

I'd urge against making the same mistake today. To me, it is impossible to separate the web3 mania from the historical context it happened in: Like 2008, it is a time of job insecurity, financial anxiety and distrust in systems with governments doing little to help. They are prime times for wishful thinking and people who want to take advantage of it.

Re: In 2022, Web3 went just great

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s obviously a super complex web of things involved, but I personally think that the nature of the post-2008 economic recovery (in the US) has had an impact on this at a societal level. I think people perceive that the opportunity to have a comfortable life doing a “regular job” is slipping away in favor of an upper middle class of professionals who enjoy stability, and an enlarged sub-middle class who are findi…

But people were gambling and making bad financial decisions before the 2008 crisis too. The crypto schemes are very often rehashing of old scams and mistakes, they are not qualitatively different from penny stocks pump and dumps, pyramids and MLM schemes, ponzi schemes, tulip/cabbage patch/whatever mania, etc.

They're not saying it's different, but that people are more desperate to latch onto get rich quick schemes now than they would've been pre-2008. Which is why crypto was huge. If this movement happened in 2005, maybe there wouldn't have been enough desperation for it to hit critical mass and blow up in popularity.
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