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Re: The internet wants to be fragmented

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That's why upvotes and downvotes should be shown separately.

I feel the better approach would be where if you wish to downvote you must give a reason for the downvote. This would eliminate the snowball effect.

...that nobody would read.

I think the usual "just don't show score for few minutes"/"don't show score that's only a bit negative" does the job well enough.

Re: The internet wants to be fragmented

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Hah. Good joke website gets the point across. I cannot connect to or load https://noahpinion.substack.com/p/the-internet-wants-to-be-f... from my comcast home IP. I can only load it by tunneling through one of my VPSes. Definitely fragmentation.

That seems like a you problem. Do you have a custom DNS or something set? It’s extremely unlikely anyone is blocking Comcast.

No one is blocking Comcast. But Comcast does screw up their routes and tends to be really cheap about peering/transit.

Re: The internet wants to be fragmented

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I was so baffled years ago by a man on the street series of interviews where people in a Liberal US City were asked if they had any republican friends or if they would be friends with such. Most said no. I also know a US lady who echo's this. Today my YouTube feed is filled with both conservatives and liberals (most of which voted republican)

Pardon if I'm just a little slow, yet not sure I follow what you're getting at. If both the urban citizens and YouTubers are liberal, and the latter even (mostly) voted republican, then how are you defining 'liberal'? Or is the distinction that things have changed over the years because YouTube broke geographic bubbles? So now even YT liberals often vote republican?

Sorry, I meant I was baffled at how they refused to have friends from the other side of the political aisle. That's real wacky. From watching political YT for years its clear that the left refuses to engage or discuss with people they disagree with, yet the moderates, republicans are happy to, in fact crave it.

It's heartwarming to me to see when someone from the other side will engage. Destiny is a great example but there are a few others, but not enough. It's these discussions where the two sides come together where there is the most information to glean.

Re: The internet wants to be fragmented

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>In fact, there were always Nazis around, and communists, and all the other toxic trolls and crazies. But they were only ever an annoyance, because if a community didn’t like those people, the moderators would just ban them. Even normal people got banned from forums where their personalities didn’t fit; even I got banned once or twice. It happened. You moved on and you found someone else to talk to.

Doesn't this create an opposite problem: echo chambers?

Re: The internet wants to be fragmented

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Money does this to everything. Radio used to be cool, now it's mostly ads. Circulating pamphlets was once a potent political tool, now they come sandwiched between ads in a newspaper that nobody reads. Evaluate a randomly chosen NFT-referent for artistic merit and see how it stack up to a randomly chosen pre-nft art. I'm still optimistic about the web though. It's more configurable than the other media. We may yet fi…

There are many online radio stations without ads, and you can already wall off advertising with something like PiHole or extensions like uBlockO. I never hear or see ads anymore :)

If you're looking at a blog that might've been presented with ads, but you're not seeing those ads, well that's nice. I also rarely see those ads. But how do you know whether the blog itself is an ad? That's the more insidious problem.

Re: The internet wants to be fragmented

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Hiii, I'm the person who made devzat. Devzat supports a "private" mode in which only some IDs you specify in the config file are allowed to join. In that mode, it disables the 16 message backlog on #main too. It seems like that would be a good option for you, but it looks like you're having the people you know gen new SSH keys every time (which is what IDs are based on). I'm curious why. Would you have liked a standa…

but it looks like you're having the people you know gen new SSH keys every time This is just an example of an ephemeral implementation of your chat system. Spin up a node, have some people play around with it, communicate whatever they wish then destroy the node in the sense of destroying a VM . One could certainly leave it running and people could use persistent ssh keys like you do on your instance. Using ephemeral…

> That sounds like a great feature/configuration option. Maybe even allow a admin-defined backlog size for people that want persistent instances.

Done! https://github.com/quackduck/devzat/commit/00160b83751d90176...

> SSH based chat is not super popular which really surprises me. I could see devzat being an amazing fall-back for a private chat inside a company when Slack or Discord are having a moment or for those times when people want to say something that isn't recorded forever and especially not visible to their management. I think it would also be amazing for people in oppressive regimes that block access to all the mainstream chat platforms but allow SSH to specific VPS providers.

:))))) I'm glad you like devzat. I'd love to talk to you on the main chat!

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