Certainly a blast from the past seeing the word "webmaster"!
Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
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Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why does it matter? Is pixar selling drugs now? Or do you not place cartoons in art, alongside Salvador dali who worked with Walt Disney?
It matters because whether or not I take your question in good faith is dependent on how much you distort my words in the asking of it.
Your words speak for themselves. No distortion needed. The question stands.
Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a long way of saying: yes, he's a bully.
What motivates a bully? Power? I think Steve Jobs is motivated by money here.
I don't think it was just money for him. He had a huge ego too. And he cared about this products, in fact he would risk a lot of money for them. I think cook is much more driven by money and it shows. Much less risk taking.
Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#214Earlier quoted context omitted.
Whether it's "a small price to pay" depends on each and every individual that paid the price. I don't think it makes any sense for 1 single person to decide if the price paid was small, simply because they don't know what actual price was paid (in terms of suffering). Also, it sounds to me that's you're assuming that's a necessitated price to pay, which I don't believe is true (but I don't have any examples either).
If the two options are "Pixar exists, but some employees were treated unfairly" or "Pixar never exists", I will choose the first. Whether or not there are other options is not a hypothetical I care about, I am interested in thinking about the morality of ends vs means of this scenario.
You're suggesting an unreal scenario, so the thought experiment isn't going to do much good, IMO. Each employee gets to make that call themselves, "do I want to be treated badly?"
Fresh graduates may not realise they are being treated badly, lacking a frame of reference. Immigrants may be on a visa where they have no choice but to put up with it or leave the country.
Locals who've been around a bit, who know their discipline, the proven (local) best of the best? They don't stay on teams led by bullies.
Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#215Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seems like a small price to pay to assemble the most innovative animation studio that would bring joy to millions of people for decades.
You're saying serfdom and bullying is justified by .. art?
It worked with Daffy Duck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Yeggs
In the cartoon, a gun was pointed at Daffy's head - and he managed to lay a golden egg.
Can a miracle be justified?
Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#216Do we know who “redacted” is?
I’ve heard stories that Google set up development office in Denmark because one of their V8 developers wanted to move home and he was “that good” that it was worth setting up an office just to keep him on staff.
Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#217Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#218Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're saying serfdom and bullying is justified by .. art?
It worked with Daffy Duck: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Yeggs In the cartoon, a gun was pointed at Daffy's head - and he managed to lay a golden egg. Can a miracle be justified?
We're talking about life limitating life, not life imitating art. The thing about daffy is.. he wasn't real
Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
It matters because whether or not I take your question in good faith is dependent on how much you distort my words in the asking of it.
Your words speak for themselves. No distortion needed. The question stands.
If the question is "Is the limited bullying and serfdom of 40 people (the original Pixar team size) justified by bringing joy to billions of people (more accurate than millions) for decades (and likely a lot longer)?" Then I answer yes. I think that's a small price to pay.
Re: Sergey Brin: Irate Call from Steve Jobs
#220I don’t understand Jobs’ logic here. Is he just a bully? If Google makes such a great offer that his employee will leave him, shouldn’t he try to make a better offer, or meet with the employee instead of calling Sergey? Say he did get the offer canceled. How would this employee feel about working for a CEO that does this?
> Is he just a bully?
He was just a capitalist. That's how capitalism works, by definition, i.e. extracting the most surplus-value from the workers (in this case the Apple employees). Increased their salaries (i.e. making a "better offer") would have decreased the surplus-value extracted by Jobs, hence why he was angry.