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Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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As the saying goes, economists have predicted 8 of the last 3 recessions.

...And Nouriel Roubini is famous for predicting 8000000000*10^(uncountable infinity) of the last 3 recessions.

With a nickname like Dr Doom, what else would you expect? The guy seems like he would be fun at parties.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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When I see predictions like this I think "awesome, no global recession coming in 2023". I have not done a study on this, but it seems like every prediction I come across is just wrong. Its like when I watch Artosis or Tasteless give a prediction during an SC2 tournament and immediately be wrong. "caster's curse" i think its called.

Cool. Go long heavily leveraged and repost this thread next year to really show off. :)

Well, they can still be right but lose on that trade because of delta decay.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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I look at recessions as being analogous with a bodybuilding cut cycle. You go through a bulking cycle to build muscle and to do so you consume a calorie surplus. Because it's difficult to tailor your macros precisely, you most likely put on a bit of fat at the same time. So after a period of bulking you undertake a cut cycle, where you burn off all the fat you don't want. In economic terms, in the bulk cycle there's…

Cringe

Either state what you dislike about the analogy or simply say nothing and downvote the comment if you dislike it. Statements like this add nothing to the debate, enlighten nobody, and are not welcome on this site which strives to minimise such trolling.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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The Economist remains uncompromised in my view. Maybe out of touch though. Another reason for more vigourous debate. I still think all these troubles are just engineering problems to be solved. I relish the task.

I think most honest economists would tell you that economists have never been very good at predicting the future. They can do a pretty good job of explaining the why of the past and how markets work, but there are too many factors, either known or unknown that always come into play. But people really want predictions, which is why you get headlines like this one.

Well they are a company that needs to sell magazines/newspapers. Good for them I say. I think predictions can still be useful even if they are wrong.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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post #248

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You won't find houses for $100k unless they are in poor condition or a bad location. That is roughly the price you would expect to pay for an average condominium in Germany.

Yeah, that's what I mean - not what houses are selling for, but what people are looking for/able to buy. Median income in the US is somewhere around 40k-70k/year depending on the source, and the general recommendation is not to exceed 2.5x that for the price of a home - so around 100k-175k.

Yes, as shown elsewhere on this thread, thousands of those types of houses are available in countless metro areas around the US. They're just not in San Fran or LA or Seattle so people don't want to take advantage of it. They must think jobs only exists in like 5 cities. Or really they just don't think it sounds cool to say they live in Kansas City or Dallas or whatever.

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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When I see predictions like this I think "awesome, no global recession coming in 2023". I have not done a study on this, but it seems like every prediction I come across is just wrong. Its like when I watch Artosis or Tasteless give a prediction during an SC2 tournament and immediately be wrong. "caster's curse" i think its called.

By "like this" perhaps you mean something like "interesting". There's a bias towards good storytelling, especially in magazine articles that make their way to many eyed, like this one. Optimizing for a compelling read had to degrade the actual predictive value. How much, hard to say, and of course if you want anyone to pay attention you need to present it well. Bit, beware a well told story - it might be the rhetorical skill you're responding to, not any real expertise. (I'm looking at you, Oxford people :D :D)

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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I knows that’s a theory, but I haven’t see any more evidence that inflation is due to monetary policy than I have that it is due to Ukraine. Lots of philosophical arguments that it must be , but no evidence. Correlation, causation, all of that. Have you seen evidence of causality that goes beyond theory? (I’m not necessarily disagreeing, just saying it often seems like a faith-based view)

It's like the apple which falls from the tree, gravity and all that... Seriously, the effect of money supply on prices has been established for quite some time, with historical data to back it up.

Do you think that the global economy has the same dynamics today that national economies did 200 years ago?

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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There are structural reasons why Unemployment will remain low in the US. One, Covid deaths plus Covid retirements(boomer cohort that had assets to retire), educational delays from poor schooling practices, low immigration have all created a labor shortage of ~3 million in the U.S. that’s a figure based on 2019 labor projections vs 2022 estimates. Recession is a consumption definition. Nothing more

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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It's like the apple which falls from the tree, gravity and all that... Seriously, the effect of money supply on prices has been established for quite some time, with historical data to back it up.

Do you think that the global economy has the same dynamics today that national economies did 200 years ago?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34207654#34211356

Re: Why a global recession is inevitable in 2023

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post #212

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China supplying Russia with weapons is probably not going to happen. Not if they want to do any commerce with the US, UK and Australia, NZ and probably the EU. The Chinese, including chairman Xi are anything but stupid. They want cheap Russian resources and food, they want to buy and replicate some Soviet tech, so they are playing Russia with the cooperation card. The Chinese also have big investments in Ukraine's ag…

I mean, aren't they still currently engaged in the genocide of the Uyghurs? Forcing them into work camps, breaking their spiritual freedoms, and relocating communities to forcibly dilute their unique genetic makeup? And the West did what? China is building bases around the South China Sea, pushing borders back, commandeering fishing rights, making a claim on Taiwan and their territories, and pushing very close to US…

Western capitalism and imperialism has destroyed and killed so many lives. On par with anything China has done except in much higher quantity.

Look at the Kurds, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Iraq, Iran, Korea, Vietnam, Yemen, Palestine, Egypt, Pakistan, Central America, South America, Africa. Look at the IMF. People like Fred Hampton, MLK, murdered by the West.

> If you ever want to imagine the end of the world, imagine what happens if we can't buy cheap shit from China and follow the thread through to a conclusion.

The west should stop exploiting all the poorer countries. Capitalism sucks. If the west can’t live without exploiting other people, the west doesn’t deserve comfy lives.

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