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How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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It looks like Windows is heading towards Linux in this matter- having to know weird commands to get things done effectively. I only use Windows occasionally, but when I have to set up a printer (shared from another computer) or file sharing, I often have to resort to either creating obscure registry entries based on random internet tutorials or use command line to figure out what exactly the GUI wizard means by "the…

Windows is heading towards linux in that most of the "new" settings app is calling powershell under the hood. Just like in the linux where all GUI's are more or less just wrappers around command line utilities or have 1:1 cmd line alternatives, Windows is becoming powershell first then GUI. Where before ALOT of functionality was only accessible from the GUI

Sometimes you don't even have UI alternative, only PowerShell. Much of Set-AdfsProperties have no UI alternative. Workflow manager/Service Bus on prem configurations. Office online configuration. SharePoint particular configuration (i.e connecting to workflow manager). WinRM things via powershell or alternative executable (like setting specitic certificate for TLS communication channel). Add-VpnConnectionRoute, ... I'v stumbled upon many and many "regular" things that can be configured only via powershell.

But PowerShell for me is the best thing that has happened to Microsoft ecosystem.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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I am still looking forward for the option to ungroup task bar buttons, preferably with titles. Again! Something that was there before, worked, and was useful. But some designer decided we don't need that, to the bin with it!

There's a hope: its comeback appears to be under development.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33781752

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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Amazing how well the old stuff in windows holds up.

Retro-compatibility is one of the reasons that Windows is still used in industry.

Not just industry. Linux has been my daily driver OS for ~20 years now, but I just installed windows 10 on an old laptop so I could run some old music production-related software on it, such as editors for the Virus TI and Nord Modular synths that stopped working on MacOS years ago. (And of course, has never been available on Linux outside of Wine/VMs).

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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I would prefer for feature to exist and work and don't care if the buttons look the same. I am super salty because I tried to run some old 32 bits qt4 and gtk2 python apps on latest Kubuntu LTS (I am 100% only Linux for years )and I just wasted hours without any satisfaction, at least on Windows 10 year old programs will still work most of the time(probably some old games could fail but might be a driver issue and no…

isnt that was flatpak and snapimg are suppose to solve, making linux apps more like windows apps in that all dependence are included with the app distribution not dependent on system wide installation?

which is ironic since more and more apps on windows require various system wide dependencies like dotnet, c++ resitibutables etc,

More than a few apps I have tried to install recently on windows would not just run because dotnet 3 is missing by default on both win10 and win11

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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I have a bit of a perfectionistic tendency to 'start over' things over and over and do them again as perfectly as possible; the Windows side of MS feels like a corporate embodiment of this habit. They've done this sort of thing with app installers(setup.exe, click once, appv, msi, msix) and UI frameworks(win32, mfc, wpf, winui 2, winui 3). It's like the teams responsible for their respective product keep starting ove…

Well, if you're UI designer and designed the UIs launched it and all works... what else you're going to do ?

Same disease that plagues GNOME, change shit for sake of changing shit, fuck users that got used to the old way, they don't matter, is new way faster ? Who knows, we don't.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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So does Windows itself. If you're afraid to or don't want to pay for software then you should probably use some variant of GNU/Linux instead.

That's the whole argument. This should not need to be "fixed" by a third party tool, it should just be part of the system that was already paid for! (It was even included all the way up to 10 so clearly there was no technical reason to not have it anymore) Frankly this mindset is ludicrous to me and yet I see this with MacOS users too who happily pay for third party solutions to first-party breakage on stuff you alre…

Of course not, it should not have been changed in such a way that required a third party utility. It's one of the reasons I'm still using Windows 10 and have taken steps to make sure my computers don't automatically "upgrade" to Windows 11.

I'm going against the mindset of not paying for software in general, no matter how useful it is to you.

Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?

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ncpa.cpl cuts a long way to get there.

It looks like Windows is heading towards Linux in this matter- having to know weird commands to get things done effectively. I only use Windows occasionally, but when I have to set up a printer (shared from another computer) or file sharing, I often have to resort to either creating obscure registry entries based on random internet tutorials or use command line to figure out what exactly the GUI wizard means by "the…

That would be fucking improvement over "create some random value in registry under this and that hierarchy to change it"

At least in /proc you see all the keys you can change...

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