I'd rather Microsoft spent developer time on useful stuff and not updating dialogs.
Since I haven't used Windows in a while; what are the new killer features of Windows 11 that the developers are delivering/working on?
How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
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Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
One of the first things I installed recently on my first Win11 computer was StartAllBack[1]. It’s not perfect but the standard taskbar is so bad that I had to fix it somehow. [1] https://www.startallback.com/
Costs money.
I‘d pay a 100 times that amount to get a new Windows with consistent classic UI (e.g. Windows 2000 style).
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#63Pretty sure MS has just given up on consistency at this point. The control panel on particular is a writeoff - simple things like setting an IP on a net adapter is an adventure in itself
ncpa.cpl cuts a long way to get there.
It looks like Windows is heading towards Linux in this matter- having to know weird commands to get things done effectively.
I only use Windows occasionally, but when I have to set up a printer (shared from another computer) or file sharing, I often have to resort to either creating obscure registry entries based on random internet tutorials or use command line to figure out what exactly the GUI wizard means by "the thing you want can't be found"
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
Costs money.
So does Windows itself. If you're afraid to or don't want to pay for software then you should probably use some variant of GNU/Linux instead.
That's the whole argument. This should not need to be "fixed" by a third party tool, it should just be part of the system that was already paid for! (It was even included all the way up to 10 so clearly there was no technical reason to not have it anymore)
Frankly this mindset is ludicrous to me and yet I see this with MacOS users too who happily pay for third party solutions to first-party breakage on stuff you already paid for. Somehow the more you spend the less customizable software is and the even more you have to spend to work around dumb choices.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#65I would be curious for a similar dissection of modern macOS. My intuitive sense is that it is a little better though there are probably still at least 5 layers of stuff. So to some extent, does doing this better at the scale of a modern user-facing OS provide enough return on investment?
Unpopular opinion: Windows UI has a lot of problems, but it's still much more intuitive and stupid-proof than macOS. Having worked with both, macOS is just inconsistent to the core (and Finder is an application one would have to pay a team of developers with the core instruction of 'make it a non-intuitive and unusable mess'). Also, I still use apps last maintained in 2010 on the latest Windows version, while apps wr…
This was my impression after moving to macOS after years of using Windows and Gnome as well.
The "document-oriented" window management and the fact that you can Cmd+X selected text, but not selected files is deeply bizarre.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#66>The ability to choose icons that are more than 30 years old is still here, with the inclusion of the very important and absolutely critical to the good function of the OS moricons.dll I will happily bet there are programs out there that would crash and burn horrifically without moricons.dll.
Also, it doesn’t hurt anyone to keep it around.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#67As a 25+ year user of windows none of this stuff bothers me. What ticks me off is just the abysmal quality of windows 11 compared to the past. It’s like no one working on it has any pride in their job Example: - hate the new notification area. The action center was so much better - dumb stuff like a window update notification that shows a c# class name instead of windows update - clicking said notification does not b…
On top of that, I am having issues with external monitors.
It's like Windows forgets the secondary monitor from time to time. And I have to extend the primary again. Then the pop-up for witching to the monitor audio out comes up. And I have set it to "Disabled" in control panel->sound a million times.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#68Earlier quoted context omitted.
The installation got into my nerves. Past versions wouldn't force having network or a Microsoft account. You could always unplug your cable and setup a local account. Now, that requires opening a console and typing OOBE commands, which took me a while to figure out. The secure boot requirements were also a pain. My hardware is compatible and my first install got TPM enabled, but memory protection and core isolation w…
I'm pretty sure you don't even have to unplug network to install Win10 without Microsoft account - just during the installation you don't create one (or login to existing one)
This used to be the case, but the last time I installed Windows 10 the already hard to find “create local account” option was completely gone until I disconnected.
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#69I swear those changes are just designers trying to excuse their employment
Re: How many layers of UI inconsistencies are in Windows 11?
#70As a 25+ year user of windows none of this stuff bothers me. What ticks me off is just the abysmal quality of windows 11 compared to the past. It’s like no one working on it has any pride in their job Example: - hate the new notification area. The action center was so much better - dumb stuff like a window update notification that shows a c# class name instead of windows update - clicking said notification does not b…
I still don't understand what kind of masochist wants all their windows to be grouped together with no labels so you have no idea what you were working on until you open it again and have to click multiple times. Thirty years of windows and there's still no setting I can tick to make the taskbar adjust automatically to the number of things I have open? If I have nothing open, hide it. If I have twenty different windo…
> have to click multiple times.
Huh? It’s hover and 1 click?