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Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by antifa »

acdha wrote: post #33
Apocryphon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I know is, if the pitchforks and torches mob went after the gaming press for some indie title instead of decades of bending backwards for EA and the the rest of the AAA’s, it sounds like a pretty crummy misprioritized mob.

Exactly - it’s like finding some guy on the street corner ranting about executive compensation versus worker pay and then learn that he’s talking about the local coffee shop whose owner takes home $80k rather than, say, the Walmart down the road.

To make things worse, it wasn't even "80k".

Depression Quest was a free game.

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by acdha »

antifa wrote: post #41
acdha wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly - it’s like finding some guy on the street corner ranting about executive compensation versus worker pay and then learn that he’s talking about the local coffee shop whose owner takes home $80k rather than, say, the Walmart down the road.

To make things worse, it wasn't even "80k". Depression Quest was a free game.

Definitely - I was just trying to capture the staggering difference in scale where it affects one person in a tiny corner of the industry.

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by brigandish »

drivebycomment wrote: post #36
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #18

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You are correct when you say that you cannot convey all relevant information. But your conclusion is still wrong. For example, a lot of Covid reporting really annoyed me, on both sides. One side would say "Here's facts A and B; see, the vaccine is working!". The other side would say "Here's facts C and D; see, the vaccine is killing people!". Over and over again. What we needed was the article that said "Here's A, B,…

By your word and the definition, saying true things is now lying. I don't agree with such a definition. And it's not just about what a word means either. Calling someone lying is essentially declaring you won't engage with the other side, and by your definition, you are not interested in engaging vast majority of anything, and making the meaning of lying nearly useless. People advocating and focusing on the argument…

It depends on what the subject is.

Keeping it as simple as possible, we take Fact A. If we're talking about a specific fact (in this case, Fact A) then to state Fact A and assert its validity/soundness/truth etc is not to lie.

If the subject is not Fact A, but Fact A is is given to support a certain other position/fact with regards to the subject and you know that to say Fact A without Fact B (C, D…) will give a misleading impression about the subject then you are, indeed, lying.

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by LightHugger »

acdha wrote: post #30
LightHugger wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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No, just no. It was about the world’s worst ex-boyfriend riling up a hate mob. The “ethics in journalism” pretext was adopted to deflect criticism but it was always a shameful disservice to anyone who legitimately cared about the issue. Among other things, note how the hate was focused on a few women who were not journalists and how frequently the attackers denied that harassment was even happening: if their concern…

That is incorrect and it is obvious you never actually bothered to look at the places you're making things up about. You and/or the articles the read those things from are straight up lies, and it's impossible for you to convince me otherwise because i was there, saw what was being discussed and written day in and day out constantly being completely contradicted by journalists straight up lying to cover their jobs. You read the articles, didn't check, and got taken for a ride.

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by LightHugger »

plaguepilled wrote: post #35
acdha wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, just no. It was about the world’s worst ex-boyfriend riling up a hate mob. The “ethics in journalism” pretext was adopted to deflect criticism but it was always a shameful disservice to anyone who legitimately cared about the issue. Among other things, note how the hate was focused on a few women who were not journalists and how frequently the attackers denied that harassment was even happening: if their concern…

Agreed that the hate campaign against indie devs was harassment and uncalled for, and agreed that the movement was largely trash, but you're skimming over a few details that I think are relevant. A minority of the voices there were criticisms being levelled against Kotaku and IGN across the whole affair, as well as the whole on-site review fiasco. However I tend to refer to that as "pre-gamergate" since this was out…

Objectively the overwhelming majority was not "trash". However, the public at large involved in inventing that label, including you, are trash for categorizing a huge group of people that way without checking if it was true. Luckily, i checked.

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by acdha »

LightHugger wrote: post #44
acdha wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, just no. It was about the world’s worst ex-boyfriend riling up a hate mob. The “ethics in journalism” pretext was adopted to deflect criticism but it was always a shameful disservice to anyone who legitimately cared about the issue. Among other things, note how the hate was focused on a few women who were not journalists and how frequently the attackers denied that harassment was even happening: if their concern…

That is incorrect and it is obvious you never actually bothered to look at the places you're making things up about. You and/or the articles the read those things from are straight up lies, and it's impossible for you to convince me otherwise because i was there, saw what was being discussed and written day in and day out constantly being completely contradicted by journalists straight up lying to cover their jobs. Y…

I also saw it unfold and used that as the basis for my post. I’m not surely what meaning you hope to derive from continuing to pretend that story is true but I hope you find some greater meaning in life than defending an old lie.

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by afiori »

ALittleLight wrote: post #25
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #8

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Interestingly, a lawsuit about that was thrown out for the same reason given in this article: https://www.businessinsider.com/covington-kid-nicholas-sandm... Basically, the news was just reporting what someone said, so no foul. > He objected to widely-reported statements by Phillips to the effect that Sandmann had "blocked" him and "would not allow him to retreat." > But the judge said that these are "objectively unv…

Legal issues aren't really the question. The Covington incident is an example of brazen lying by the media. They had the full video and chose to wildly misrepresent it. That they did so because they were reporting what someone else said is completely irrelevant. They knowingly lied and did so knowing they would be caught. There is a reason the majority of the public distrusts the mainstream media. Mainstream media ou…

The article is not claiming that the media correctly informs people. Just that most articles contains mostly factually correct data.

Almost always it is an highly curated set of facts; often intentionally designed to mislead people.

The author is not pushing the idea that the media is honest, rather that the way we describe their dishonesty is inaccurate.

My personal interpretation is that as long as you say factually true things you are sort of protected both on defamation and ethics claims.

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by plaguepilled »

LightHugger wrote: post #45
plaguepilled wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed that the hate campaign against indie devs was harassment and uncalled for, and agreed that the movement was largely trash, but you're skimming over a few details that I think are relevant. A minority of the voices there were criticisms being levelled against Kotaku and IGN across the whole affair, as well as the whole on-site review fiasco. However I tend to refer to that as "pre-gamergate" since this was out…

Objectively the overwhelming majority was not "trash". However, the public at large involved in inventing that label, including you, are trash for categorizing a huge group of people that way without checking if it was true. Luckily, i checked.

>However, the public at large involved in inventing that label, including you, are trash for categorizing a huge group of people that way without checking if it was true

I watched the whole thing happen, on social media - what do you mean "without checking"? I didn't come into this late like you say you did.

If you're implying the ethics violations was the centre focus, then that's not true at all once the focus shifted. Everything related to Brianna Wu and related parties was completely out of pocket from the gamergaters.

>Luckily, i checked.

How? You're asserting I'm stating a falsehood and that you confirmed its a falsehood, but you provide no citations or links. That's shoddy journalism. ;)

Re: Sorry, I still think I am right about the media rarely lying

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Post by LightHugger »

acdha wrote: post #46
LightHugger wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is incorrect and it is obvious you never actually bothered to look at the places you're making things up about. You and/or the articles the read those things from are straight up lies, and it's impossible for you to convince me otherwise because i was there, saw what was being discussed and written day in and day out constantly being completely contradicted by journalists straight up lying to cover their jobs. Y…

I also saw it unfold and used that as the basis for my post. I’m not surely what meaning you hope to derive from continuing to pretend that story is true but I hope you find some greater meaning in life than defending an old lie.

I can say the exact same to you since you're just outright lying.
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