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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by Nifty3929 »

crooked-v wrote: post #93
JoshTriplett wrote: post #83

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> For example, name something of real political consequence that it is acceptable to disagree about. "What is the most impactful way to ensure that everyone has sufficient clean water and nutritious food to survive? Would approach X or approach Y or approach Z save more lives? What other alternatives should we be considering? What are the tradeoffs and risks here? How can we hedge our bets to protect against those tr…

> Would approach X or approach Y or approach Z save more lives? I take it you missed the stories about people being assaulted in public for wearing masks.

Or not wearing them...

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by alex_young »

jasonhansel wrote: post #136
standardUser wrote: post #127

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I wouldn't take that line of reasoning too far. Most kids in the US don't go to college and many that do never live in a dorm. And for most schools with dorms, dorm living is only the first year or two for most students. Maybe it's different at expensive private schools in the US, but the vast majority of Americans never attend those schools.

> Most kids in the US don't go to college It's about 63% of high-school grads, including both 2-year and 4-year colleges: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpa

From the same source: The overall college enrollment rate for 18- to 24-year-olds was 40 percent in 2020.

https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cpb/college-enrol...

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by barganzo »

testfoobar wrote: post #37
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #19

My generation (early GenX) may be the last one to grow up in an environment that didn't systematically screw young people at every possible turn. We didn't have a constant presence of adults and had space to work out issues on our own. We were able to travel for miles in most directions without being barraged by No Trespassing signs - each of them backed up by disproportionate penalties and an ever present risk of li…

> In contrast, my sons grew up in a world that is senselessly unforgiving and penalistic, with few breaks from adults and little chance to explore life on their own terms. Teenage boys in particular now face an incredibly punitive culture in America. Everything is on video. The online mob will form and demand jail time for the slightest thing. How are teenage boys supposed to learn right from wrong?

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Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by NERD_ALERT »

remarkEon wrote: post #165
NERD_ALERT wrote: post #112

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The political talking points are unfortunately not that sophisticated. It’s largely about how twitter is run by a cabal of SJWs silencing the freedom to post Hunter Biden’s dick pics or fantasies about the liberals who will throw a tantrum if you say their pronouns wrong.

>Hunter Biden’s dick pics This is generally a good tell that someone isn't willing to engage with the other side at all, and instead intentionally reduces a story about powerful organizations communicating strategies with each other (I'm not passing judgement here on if those activities were wise or should be allowed), and instead reduces it to a revenge porn story. There's a much more interesting story there about h…

I tried reading the twitter files and it seems to be all smoke and mirrors. Twitter has a clear rule about not sharing hacked information, which this falls under. Besides that point, there’s not even really proof this laptop exists. The evidence is mostly claims fabricated by the New York Post. Hunter Biden probably had his iCloud hacked instead of dropping off a sensitive laptop at some random repair shop where the laptop was intercepted by someone close to Tucker Carlson and then magically stolen in transit to Fox HQ.

All of this aside, since when is it a crime for a company to hire someone close to a politically powerful person as a consultant. How can you reasonably write laws against this or prove that this led to Ukraine having any political leverage with Biden. The DNC is also allowed to send requests to have nudes removed from Twitter. They didn’t command Twitter with a gun to their head. They requested just like Trump and friends regularly did for content they didn’t want which was respected as much as the requests by the DNC.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by Nifty3929 »

remarkEon wrote: post #165
NERD_ALERT wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The political talking points are unfortunately not that sophisticated. It’s largely about how twitter is run by a cabal of SJWs silencing the freedom to post Hunter Biden’s dick pics or fantasies about the liberals who will throw a tantrum if you say their pronouns wrong.

>Hunter Biden’s dick pics This is generally a good tell that someone isn't willing to engage with the other side at all, and instead intentionally reduces a story about powerful organizations communicating strategies with each other (I'm not passing judgement here on if those activities were wise or should be allowed), and instead reduces it to a revenge porn story. There's a much more interesting story there about h…

I thought it was about Biden's dealings with foreign powers, and possibly being beholden to them.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by Larrikin »

weakfortress wrote: post #138
zmgsabst wrote: post #103

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In my experience, college is when that transition happens: - freshman year, start off supported and end with a job - sophomore year, housing is dorms but otherwise on your own - junior and senior year, apartments with roommates and supporting yourself

What era is this? Certainly it's not the last 20-25 years. I don't remember being able to afford anything until after I graduated and was fortunate enough to have parents that let me live in the basement while I got on my feet. My college jobs were barely enough to feed me, pay the interest on my loans, and pay my parents a pittance for my chunk of the power bill. Maybe it's easier for these kids to get a programming…

The housing transition seems to be the same for the four years but parents are heavily supplanting the budget.

Colleges typically force all freshmen with out a local address to be in the dorms and have a full meal plan but there's typically a tuition saving if you can get the friends you've made in the first couple years to all go in with you on an apartment. Even more if you bothered to learn how to cook and can lower your meal plan.

But I do not think it's typical for any of those students to be getting an apartment without a parental guarantor, even if they have a needs based schedule and are packing their non school hours with work.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by janalsncm »

daxvena wrote: post #162

As a youngish adult (27) this is some of what I feel: - Climate change is slowly creeping up on us and corporations keep on trucking along with an endless growth mindset, not caring about the consequences of what is essentially a cancer - Somehow I lucked out and ended up turning my favourite hobby into a job that pays really well, but something feels empty. I don't feel like I'm working any harder than people in low…

Absolutely. I’m extremely skeptical of the type of analysis in OP when quality of life for young people is objectively decaying.

Life expectancies are going down. Children born today are not likely to be as wealthy as their parents. Two major economic disruptions within a generation have permanently stunted economic outlooks at critical times. Many are stuck renting, many others are stuck with student loans they will never pay off.

Given all of that and more, the real question is what kind of parenting could have prepared kids for this? Letting kids play outside a little more isn’t going to cut it.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by remarkEon »

xabotage wrote: post #115
meowtimemania wrote: post #92

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What is the modern replacement for religion? Growing up I felt like I had this huge tight-knit community via the mormon church. I've since left mormonism and don't think I'll ever find a replacement for the community I had in the church.

There won't be an exact replacement because the circumstances that led to the community cannot (or rather, should not) be replicated. For the sake of the survival of the planet/species, I also don't think any institution based around magical thinking should fill the gap. Keep in mind that high-demand religions require a huge investment of time and money. Devoting even just a fraction of those resources to hobbies, ar…

Humans have tried "we believe in nothing", throughout history, and yet ... I see no Cathedrals, no beautiful songs, no art, no science, no entire civilizations built to the honor of ... nothing.

>which is why people are leaving it.

Attendance at TLM is increasing, not decreasing.

Re: Young adults and mental health: Is more childhood independence the answer?

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Post by civilized »

WalterBright wrote: post #119
cloutchaser wrote: post #114

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Something went wrong in the US after 911. I don’t think it’s just the government. The entire capitalist machine realised just how profitable fear can be, and that’s been one of the big marketing angles in the 2000s. Especially in media, but elsewhere like supplements and drugs too. But the society wide impact of that has been a much more fearful people, obviously making parents more protective too.

> Something went wrong in the US after 911. Well before then. I got one of the last chemistry sets around 1970, when they were all emasculated. > The entire capitalist machine realised just how profitable fear can be Oh come on. A huge driver of this problem is the legal system which encourages jackpot lawsuits, along with our culture of it's always someone else's fault (usually the party with money that becomes wort…

What I see is mutually interlocking and supporting drivers:

1. Profiteering media based on a 24/7/365 fixation on fear and violence: "if it bleeds it leads", and encouraging our worst tendencies toward moral panic (e.g. the 80s satanic ritual abuse panic, which recapitulated in some ways the Salem witch trials)

2. A people who easily go along with the media-driven culture of fear, and learn e.g. that their kids can't go anywhere without falling into pedophile clutches

3. The hyper-punitive systems of US law and child protective services

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