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I think that the difference between fact and opinion is the strength of your defense.
If two people are making exactly the same claim, and one has a strong defense and the other has a weak defense, is that claim a fact or opinion?
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Could you summarize a theory or two about the mechanism by which the question asked could affect what cards are drawn?
A very simple one is a variation on the simulation hypothesis - if the simulation has only one RNG, we'd expect similar patterns to show up in all random data sets related to the same event, which could be interpreted by someone who's studied them. I don't subscribe to the simulation hypothesis myself in a literal way, but I'm working on something like the above theory using the language of QBism. If you're familiar…
There is absolutely no doubt in science that posing a question has any influence in the order shuffled cards come up. None. No amount of links to quantum this or that, or adaptive mutations, or any other unrelated stuff is going to change that.
I hate that I have to be this direct with you, since your tone is friendly, because it makes me sound aggressive. However, the hard truth is that you're basically arguing garbage, a variation of "there's much we don't know, let's keep an open mind" which has been a tactic of pseudoscientists and scammers since forever.
To be honest, I liked it better when I thought you were admitting the cards themselves where irrelevant, a focus point for your own ramblings about the customer.
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Feng Shui is trivially debunked by the fact not two "specialists" will tell you the same thing about how to arrange your apartment; they will in fact often tell you contradictory things. If Feng Shui proponents are going to then argue "well, it's just common sense and/or the opinion of the practitioner", then that's just called "interior design" and there's no need to dress it as mystical oriental teachings. How you…
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If in Chinese it just means the equivalent of "interior design", who here would object? There's no mystical implications, and everyone everywhere agrees interior design experts can have good advice (and are also capable of outrageous misses and dumb advice as well).
In the West, calling it Feng Shui has implications. Bear in mind it was brought up in a discussion of Tarot, so let's not be disingenuous and pretend there's no undercurrent of the mystical here.
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> before running an experiment No such experiment is possible, because the cards don't have single meanings. Any completely random set of results will look meaningful to a tarot card reader, because that's the whole point of the reading. Can you imagine an experiment that would allow for a negative result?
Sure: have clients submit readings that were 'hits' in their own subjective experience, generate several random readings, and present them to professional readers along with the real reading and a description of what actually happened. If the readers can't guess the actual reading above chance, it's a negative result. Of course, you can't get a double blind unless the description is supplied by someone who doesn't kn…
What your experiment would do, if successful, would be to provide evidence that given a set of ordered Tarot cards, experts agree on what is the interpretation [1], that is, that the interpretation itself is not random but it derives by well known rules from the set of cards. Note this has nothing to do with showing the cards were in any way influenced by the question!
[1] this would be big enough, since we know no two Tarot readers agree on the interpretation of any set of cards, so I expect the experiment would fail to demonstrate there's a deterministic interpretation.
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When lots of practitioners in the West are of the "magical home energy" kind, does it make any difference what the Chinese term really means? If in Chinese it just means the equivalent of "interior design", who here would object? There's no mystical implications, and everyone everywhere agrees interior design experts can have good advice (and are also capable of outrageous misses and dumb advice as well). In the West…
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As for the peer review —- after the replication crisis of psychology, I don’t put too much value in scientific process in that or related fields. When we live in scientific ”wild west”, one has to try to find the truth oneself, being both open-minded and critical. That is why I tried Tarot when a friend suggested it, and then learned what I wrote above. And I was very critical of the whole idea of Tarot, because I be…
> after the replication crisis of psychology, I don’t put too much value in scientific process in that or related fields I thought I had preempted this in my comment: whatever criticism of psychology and therapy there is, it applies tenfold to fringe stuff like Tarot. There may be a crisis of replication in psychology, but there is simply no replication or oversight or peer review at all with Tarot and occultism in g…
I just wanted to add my 2 cents and tell that Tarot can be something else than what people typically think it is.
It is not scientific and I am not claiming it is. But I think science in these fields is not scientific either —- that is what the replication crisis implies.
However I find interesting that your preconception of Tarot seems so strong that you believe I have somehow taken something a friend suggested at face value. Nothing I wrote suggests that.
Tarot cards do not have to be scientific to be useful. Would you be against Brian Eno creativity cards that just give you a suggestions on what to think, such as ”What to increase? What to reduce?”
Hopefully we can both agree that such cards can be useful when stuck with a problem and you need to invent new ideas. Do you need scientific proof of them once you see that it obviously works? Tarot cards can be used in very similar manner.
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Since the parent comment mentions science maybe I can get a response to my scientific observation. I do not think they are constantly told this. This is my first interaction with a tarot believing person online. I wrote my comment with the hope that I can learn their scientific approach to tarot. If not, what makes them believe it is even remotely real.
I mentioned science in the frame of evidence in a criminal investigation. It didnt come across as such. I fell asleep not too long after that comment. > I do not think they are constantly told this. I definitely have been told this. Major practices are called religion, whereas minor practices are just 'cult' and weird. The existing larger religons' congregants are the worst to demean me and my practices, all the whol…
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> after the replication crisis of psychology, I don’t put too much value in scientific process in that or related fields I thought I had preempted this in my comment: whatever criticism of psychology and therapy there is, it applies tenfold to fringe stuff like Tarot. There may be a crisis of replication in psychology, but there is simply no replication or oversight or peer review at all with Tarot and occultism in g…
Just to make sure, I am not the same person you originally commented. I just wanted to add my 2 cents and tell that Tarot can be something else than what people typically think it is. It is not scientific and I am not claiming it is. But I think science in these fields is not scientific either —- that is what the replication crisis implies. However I find interesting that your preconception of Tarot seems so strong t…
But how many Tarot readers are going to agree with your interpretation? You know they trade on the occult.
What are the legal protections for speech intended to, or can be reasonably assumed to, cause significant stress and harm to someone without any constructive motive to justify the harm?
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As someone who reads Tarot for friends, and may do so professionally in the new year, it depends a lot on the reading and the type of reading. Any reading that offers advice is opinion, but some opinions should be stated with more confidence than others. Given identical cards I might tell one person "Get out, he'll hurt you if you stay!" and another "I'm not sure this relationship is right for you, if you stay there'…
It's almost 2023 and people still believe this nonsense. Humanity is doomed.
it's shattering to see this being taken seriously by people who should be trained to work with extremely deterministic systems, demanding the utmost rationality.